God I hate live poker

More players to the flop is offset by the fact that people stack off with bottom pair. But yeah it'll of course be high variance game short term since you're only getting 20-30 hands/hr. But since your winrate should be ridiculously high, the short term isn't really that short.

Next time make it 24 pre and see what happens.

that table sounds like a goldmine

i dont see what your problem is

are you really complaining about being at one of the best games possible?

make your isolation size 100bb, get called a donk. Then try and do the trollface irl

On July 05 2010 04:12 Stroggos wrote: make your isolation size 100bb, get called a donk. Then try and do the trollface irl

Yeah, was thinking a short stack shove strategy would be pretty damn profitable at these tables lol. However, if I were to shortstack, I would then be forced into a life of flaming homosexuality, which I am not ready to do.

On July 05 2010 04:07 dnagardi wrote: that table sounds like a goldmine i dont see what your problem is

Trying to figure out where I am in the hand compared to the rest of the players at the table is my problem. Seems like the value of top pair hands goes down quite a bit with such a call heavy table. Should I be more aggressive with my top pair hands and be willing to get the money in quick with them to force more people out, or should I adjust to play more nitty as the likelyhood of 2 pair/monster hands goes increasingly up with so many people willing to pay any price to see a flop.

P.S. Sorry if this sounds stupid and all, but I have much more experience playing 6max online NL, where you see a lot more isolation/using position/etc.

Maybe my problem lies in the fact that I am still not 100% on how to efficiently play full ring?

U r literally complaining about a game being to soft, just makes adjustments during the session and rape them.

On July 05 2010 03:49 Carthac wrote: Seems like the big hands you do get really don't have that much equity if you have to play against more than 3 players every flop : /

You mean they have more equity with all the dead money out there. 50% in a $400 pot > %80 in a $200 pot. Sounds like you are playing above your bankroll and want to limit your variance. Nobody in their right mind would complain about getting too much action on their big hands.

On July 05 2010 04:24 Carthac wrote: Show nested quote + On July 05 2010 04:07 dnagardi wrote: that table sounds like a goldmine i dont see what your problem is Trying to figure out where I am in the hand compared to the rest of the players at the table is my problem.

These guys have vpip 80+ and they will call your cbet no matter how big it is with ANY piece of the flop. What are you worrying about?
Sure they will have two pairs/sets sometimes, but more of the time you gonna stack their worse queen, straight draw or pocket tens lol.
I would just overbet the flop(because they play their hand as non-elastic) and isoraise bigger, why go for 8bb when you can raise 10, 14 or maybe more. Pot on the flop will be like 80% bigger and thats a huge difference in your winrate.

get your stack, divide it up in 4 equal portions and put 1/4th in every street

On July 05 2010 04:33 blackjacki2 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 05 2010 03:49 Carthac wrote: Seems like the big hands you do get really don't have that much equity if you have to play against more than 3 players every flop : / You mean they have more equity with all the dead money out there. 50% in a $400 pot > %80 in a $200 pot. Sounds like you are playing above your bankroll and want to limit your variance. Nobody in their right mind would complain about getting too much action on their big hands.

Not really above my bankroll, but that is something interesting you bring up. I do only bring about 1.5 BI every time I go to play live, as I keep most of my roll online. I'm guessing this is probly the big problem here?

On July 05 2010 04:35 spage wrote: Show nested quote + On July 05 2010 04:24 Carthac wrote:   On July 05 2010 04:07 dnagardi wrote: that table sounds like a goldmine i dont see what your problem is Trying to figure out where I am in the hand compared to the rest of the players at the table is my problem. These guys have vpip 80+ and they will call your cbet no matter how big it is with ANY piece of the flop. What are you worrying about? Sure they will have two pairs/sets sometimes, but more of the time you gonna stack their worse queen, straight draw or pocket tens lol. I would just overbet the flop(because they play their hand as non-elastic) and isoraise bigger, why go for 8bb when you can raise 10, 14 or maybe more. Pot on the flop will be like 80% bigger and thats a huge difference in your winrate.

Okay, so bring more money, value town huge when I hit, and allow my roll to hopefully absorb the variance blow that will hit me from time to time?

I'll trade you these shitty online games for those live games any day of the week

On July 05 2010 04:31 palak wrote: U r literally complaining about a game being to soft, just makes adjustments during the session and rape them.

lol yea seriously.

realize that when the person with TT said "I didn't think ya had it so I called" probably applies to every hand he plays.

On July 05 2010 04:31 palak wrote: U r literally complaining about a game being to soft, just makes adjustments during the session and rape them.

I think the toughest part about it is not using my online 6 max tendencies in live full ring.

The general rule, that I follow at least, is the more people in the hand, the stronger the hand needs to be to justify going all in when youre expecting to be called. Apparantly in these games, that rule is a little skewed :D

ya live poker blows, table might be full of fish but it's sooo damn slow. i always get bored and do stupid shit xD

On July 05 2010 04:16 Carthac wrote: Show nested quote + On July 05 2010 04:12 Stroggos wrote: make your isolation size 100bb, get called a donk. Then try and do the trollface irl Yeah, was thinking a short stack shove strategy would be pretty damn profitable at these tables lol. However, if I were to shortstack, I would then be forced into a life of flaming homosexuality, which I am not ready to do.

hahaha it would be pretty fun shotstacking live ! im def gonna try it lol

This game sounds like so much fun!

Honestly the most important thing to do is learn to read your opponent's physical gestures. Fuck all this bet theory, just watch for these:

0) First, determine if they're acting or not.

1) As soon as a player looks at his cards, do his eyes flicker to his chipstack? Be more inclined to fold pre.
2) On the flop, do they keep staring at the board way after it hits or do they straighten up and look at you? If they stare at the flop they missed and they're searching for some way to improve their hand. Bet and take it down.
3) Pay very, very close attention to posture. Straight and high means strong while low and hunched means weak.
4) If someone ever makes a bet and puts their arms behind their head in the "sit-back-and-relax" pose just assume you're beat unless a pair of aces is the rock-solid nuts in their mind.
5) A fast call with a draw on the board means they're on the draw. A paired hand or over pocket usually takes some time to evaluate if they should reraise or not.

Most of these are pretty obvious to anyone who's read a tell book but this game sounds like it's the easiest read in the world.