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Jadyks   United States. Oct 30 2010 06:21. Posts 26 | | |
So, this is October for me, and I have a lot of questions. Note that I'm playing 100% 5NL right now.
First of all, this is the first time I've gotten really disciplined about playing and winning. About half-way through the month, maybe right at 800 hands played this month or so, I invested in PT3 and WOW, do I notice a difference in my winrate. Just seeing stats like that, paying more attention to tables, and using filters to find some leaks in my game has really changed alot.
As you can see I'm still in the negative for the month but as I almost broke even, I got really excited. I don't think this has been an upswing since the 900th hand played or so, and I certainly hope it's not all attributable to variance, cause I can definitely see my play improving, and I feel like I can definitely continue this rate.
I have some questions though. First, about this graph; obviously, amount won is a very easy line. But what exactly do my all-in EV, showdown and nonshowdown winnings tell me about my level of play? The showdown winnings line says to me that I'm getting my money in bad too often on the river. So, I really tightened up that aspect of my play. I stopped rationalizing that hero call, stopped imagining that everyone who bets the river against my TPTK must be bluffing. That really upped my winrate.
I have no idea what the all-in EV line says about my play. If it says anything at all. I've seen debate that it's not a good indicator of variance or 'running bad'. Can anyone explain to me the math behind it and how it relates? I've done a lot of reading here and on 2p2 and I still don't quite understand it.
Secondly, when I play 5NL, or .02/.05, I always buy in for $5, even though the max is 12.50. Why is there such a huge bb cap on these tables, and am I stunting myself by buying in for only 5? I guess I'm just a creature of habit and am accustomed to buying in for 100bb...
My last question is about PS rakeback and VPP stuff. I got my first 750 vpp $10 bonus today, yay free moneys. But obviously I'm more interested in the serious rakeback stuff. Playing 5nl, what kind of volume is really required to get any decent form of rakeback? Should I be moving to a different site if I can't play 40k hands a month?
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vasoline73   United States. Oct 30 2010 07:06. Posts 810 | | |
Incoming posts about...
REDLINE: LOWER IT
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Sample size ffs!!! |
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qwerty67890   New Zealand. Oct 30 2010 07:15. Posts 14026 | | |
your volume is really low, do you 1 table? It shouldnt take too much time to play 20-30k hands per month. So its hard to tell anything from your graph.
At NL5 people will be going to showdown a lot more often - and youre losing money here. So maybe youre bluffing too much. Start playing tight. Betting strong on your made hands and c-betting good boards.
Let people call you down with inferior kickers, give them bad odds to chase their draws etc and youll make bank. Look at playing premium starting hands and not calling off money with bad hands OOP. You might be calling too loose PF and youre often ending up with the worse kicker and calling down.
buying in for 100bb is good because youre deep enough to be playing properly but not deep enough where youll make mistakes. If youre comfortable buying in for 100bbs just keep doing that, once you get more comfortable and your bankroll is bigger you can start buying in for 200bbs and playing deeper - this might be a good medium between moving from NL5 to NL10.
It will be impossible to get a decent VIP level at NL5. |
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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Oct 30 2010 07:24. Posts 15163 | | |
1) All In EV
All in EV says nothing basically. Because how your run of cards differs from standard distribution is affected by both All in ev, but also what cards are dealt to you and your opponents.
For example you lose all in AA vs 72o= will be shown in AI EV.
You get dealt AA and villain KK, Or you turn a straight with your flop gutshot against villains= Will not be shown in EV.
You can therefore be losing in AI EV, and still 'run hot' or vice versa, so don't pay much attention to it.
2) Showdown Winnings and Non showdown winnings('Red Line)
SD Winnings: [Money won at showdown] minus [money lost at showdown].
Non-SD Winnings: [Money won without showdown]minus[money lost without showdown]
The fun part is that these two don't matter either individually. The only thing that does matter in the long run will be Amount won (global).
Your goal will be to maximise one (SD or Non-SD) line without having the second one too negative.
Buy In
I did buy in with more at NL5 as my BR allowed ($5-$6 to $10), but the transition back to 100bb can be harder, so probably just stick with 100bb and move up to NL10 when you got the BR.
Rakeback
I wouldn't care about this thing a lot at the beginning. Your focus should be to play 2-4 tables and work on your game at first, and you won't get much rakeback. I think Stars recetnly changed the VPP structure so that its more beneficial to micros.
Your game
I can't make any conclusions from just one graph. I even don't know what type of poker you play.
I remember that I had a similar graph at NL5 Fullring where I played 9/7 100% cbet (pot sized) and my redline was booming like yours.
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K40Cheddar   United States. Oct 30 2010 07:44. Posts 2202 | | |
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Jadyks   United States. Oct 30 2010 11:36. Posts 26 | | |
Thanks for the info guys.
I've been playing full ring 5nlhe. Also, I usually play 4 tables at a time. But like i also said, I only started about halfway through the month. I'll work on just playing a shitton of hands, utilizing the advice here. |
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Jadyks   United States. Oct 30 2010 13:10. Posts 26 | | |
| On October 30 2010 06:06 vasoline73 wrote:
Incoming posts about...
REDLINE: LOWER IT
and
Sample size ffs!!! |
I have to admit, I'm very confused as to why anyone would want to lower the red line. |
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joLin   United States. Oct 30 2010 17:03. Posts 3818 | | |
| On October 30 2010 12:10 Jadyks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2010 06:06 vasoline73 wrote:
Incoming posts about...
REDLINE: LOWER IT
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Sample size ffs!!! |
I have to admit, I'm very confused as to why anyone would want to lower the red line.
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bcuz your blue line and more importantly your green line are negative. 2200 hands says pretty much nothing about anything but if your graph continues like this i would say youre bluffing way too much in games where ppls biggest mistake is calling too much. |
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