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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Nov 18 2010 11:04. Posts 15163
Ok I concur. I am definitely not at my previous levels of skill yet..
Every single time ever I have been 4 tabling before the break no matter at what limit I was a 3-5BB/100 winner, and my only issue was that I return to multi-tabling and dump stacks when I burnout (Read my old blogs with 'Tutbotilt' in them).
Well, now thats really gone and whats more I can't even 6 table breakeven NL50.


My focus has been on advanced topics after my break, but I think in all that excitement I forgot to refresh the absolute basics.

This is me 4 tabling NL50 now:
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And this is me 4 tabling NL50 before my break/before I started playing dota 8 months ago:
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The concepts below are basics that I need to refresh, at the end are important points. I will write this in several blog posts as I go through the basic concepts.

[ BLUE] - Flaws in my current game/logic
[ Green] -My comments

Index
-I will post various basic topics as I see fit/when I have time and energy and in the end combine everything into one blog post with index etc.
Let me know if there are any specific topics that you have trouble with (As I am likely to have trouble too) and I will try to research them/summarise and post them with my comments.


1) What is NL Hold'Em and how do you make money?
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2)On the flop - With initiative
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3) Notes
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4) Math
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Remember/cliffs:
-DO NOT BLUFF IN BIG POTS
-ONLY RAISE HANDS WORTH RAISING.
-CONSIDER LIKELIHOOD OF MAKING A MISTAKE(=LOSING MONEY)IN FOLLOWING ACTIONS WHEN YOU ACT ON ONE STREET.
-HAVE A CLEAR PLAN WHEN PLAYING MARGINAL HANDS/WEAK DRAWS
-Consider how profitably cany you play a hand based on position, villains AND your current state of mind. If you are tilted and are likely to make mistakes tighten up! Also, always be able to clearly say what is your plan on the next street (including when raising PF!)

-DRAW ALONE DOESN'T JUSTIFY BETTING
-GOOD PlayerS HAVE TO BE BLUFFABLE
-CBET MORE IP THAN OOP, CONSIDER VILLAIN AND BOARD, DO NOT CBET DRAWY BOARDS
-DO NOT PAY PEOPLE THAT ARE INCAPABLE OF BLUFFING OR VBETTING LIGHT
-DO NO CALL RAISES WITH WEAK HANDS
-DO NOT OVERESTIMATE PF STATS POSTFLOP AND SMALL SAMPLE SIZES


End note
I have applied these things and my red line instantly flatted out instead of going down and money won went just right up.
This thinking used to be the foundation of my game and is all coming back. I have even started talking out loud and explaining what exactly am I going to do on the next street before seeing it, just as I was doing automatically before but have forgotten since. I also suddenly remembered how I used to fight for the small pots and bluff like a madman and appear aggro, but when the big pots came I had the better hand most of the time.

All the study time and hand analysing is for nothing when you don't have the basics down and apply them in everyday grind.

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terrybunny19240   United States. Nov 18 2010 11:21. Posts 13829

do not bluff in big pots what a shitty cliff note bro

i also don't like 'do not cbet drawy boards' as a rule, there are plenty of times its perfectly reasonable and likely the best play to cbet 783ss if you have good overs/backdoor flushdraw/etc

too many rules

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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Nov 18 2010 11:27. Posts 15163


  On November 18 2010 10:21 Night2o1 wrote:
do not bluff in big pots what a shitty cliff note bro


Explain please. This is very applicable to me, my standard image and the limits I play. This cliff is the second most important note after having a plan for the hand.

I am widely recognised as an overaggressive player with massive spew potential and nobody who knows me ever does big laydowns against me.
Furhermore, I play at NL50 right now where the trend is to call rather than fold even without my image.

If your image is very aggressive and you are on the LAGgy side your goal should be to take the small pots because people will let you and they don't pay them off/bluff off your stack which is what they expect and many will count on that strategy against you.

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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Nov 18 2010 11:30. Posts 15163

And the cliffs are not definite rules, but rather inclinations I should make and 'standards'. If you read the sections you will understand. In my mind 'having a plan' overrides all rules, if you have good reason you can do absolutely anything in poker. Like 5bet shove 73 or whatever it was when Ivey pwned raszi -.-

And these are points for me Night based on the state my game is in right now, you could make completely different conclusions based on how you play.

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genjix2   United Kingdom. Nov 18 2010 11:32. Posts 46

Those samples are also pathetically insignificant.

Take your STD DEV / 100 stat from PT3 and input into this site:
http://www.evplusplus.com/poker_tools/poker_winrate_confidence/

You'll see there's a huge amount of chance involved. You could have just been very lucky before and slightly unlucky now. Don't draw conclusions from small samples.

Also:
http://www.evplusplus.com/poker_tools/variance_simulator/


LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Nov 18 2010 11:42. Posts 15163


  On November 18 2010 10:32 genjix2 wrote:
Those samples are also pathetically insignificant.

Take your STD DEV / 100 stat from PT3 and input into this site:
http://www.evplusplus.com/poker_tools/poker_winrate_confidence/

You'll see there's a huge amount of chance involved. You could have just been very lucky before and slightly unlucky now. Don't draw conclusions from small samples.

Also:
http://www.evplusplus.com/poker_tools/variance_simulator/


I know that (although the samples will be 80k+ hands in both examples, these are the longest graphs I got). I am not concluding just on the graphs, but on the overall feel I get from my game. I was kinda shocked when reading through basic articles and that I don't apply that stuff -.-

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Big_Rob_48   United States. Nov 18 2010 13:28. Posts 3432

it shouldn't be that hard, I mean 50% of people are intelligent enough to be winners at nl 600 right?

My AIM sn if you want to chat: YoRobbyMiller 

waga   United Kingdom. Nov 18 2010 15:05. Posts 2375


  On November 18 2010 10:21 Night2o1 wrote:
do not bluff in big pots what a shitty cliff note bro

i also don't like 'do not cbet drawy boards' as a rule, there are plenty of times its perfectly reasonable and likely the best play to cbet 783ss if you have good overs/backdoor flushdraw/etc

too many rules



This is probably the best advice.
bluff too much / never fold in big pot , is probably the biggest leak of the nl50/100 player.
(they don't vbet enough ofc , but that's another point)

You think way too much lemon imo.
To beat those limits you don't have to be really creative.
You just have to be patient ,not tilt and table select.


terrybunny19240   United States. Nov 18 2010 17:09. Posts 13829

naw I'm not trying to be harsh sorry seems I came off that way

I just don't want you to look at your laggy or aggressive image and not bluff in correct spots just because the pot "is big"

ie you might end up playing wayyyyyy too fit or fold in 3bet pots because of that idea (which is especially bad if you are a laggy player who is in a ton of 3bet pots because you 3bet people a bunch)


joLin   United States. Nov 18 2010 17:27. Posts 3818

lol 27k hand sample. and lol this:

  On November 18 2010 12:28 Big_Rob_48 wrote:
it shouldn't be that hard, I mean 50% of people are intelligent enough to be winners at nl 600 right?

YoUr_KiLLeR @ TL 

boreHM   Netherlands. Nov 18 2010 18:17. Posts 1595

you can spice up the math example by giving your opponent the 4bet and a 4bet% and then you shove and have fold equity too and villain has a calling range obv


NewbSaibot   United States. Nov 18 2010 18:54. Posts 4946

Nice post Lemon. I've been trying to think a lot along these lines and having it spelled out for me is really clicking in my brain. One thing that really resonates with me is the whole "good players are bluffable" line. Sooooo often I try to hero call because I hate being bluffed, at least being bluffed by a fish in some retarded fashion. I smile when a reg bluff's me, the few times I see it. Whats worse is the fact that since I'm like 20/80 or worse on successful hero calls, I try to do them too often just because once I was right. Gonna see how much of this I can apply in the coming weeks.

bye now 

LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Nov 18 2010 20:12. Posts 15163


  On November 18 2010 12:28 Big_Rob_48 wrote:
it shouldn't be that hard, I mean 50% of people are intelligent enough to be winners at nl 600 right?


Most definitely. All the math you need is basic secondary school man.
Its more about hard work and self control which I am lacking.

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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Nov 18 2010 20:35. Posts 15163


  On November 18 2010 17:54 NewbSaibot wrote:
Nice post Lemon. I've been trying to think a lot along these lines and having it spelled out for me is really clicking in my brain. One thing that really resonates with me is the whole "good players are bluffable" line. Sooooo often I try to hero call because I hate being bluffed, at least being bluffed by a fish in some retarded fashion. I smile when a reg bluff's me, the few times I see it. Whats worse is the fact that since I'm like 20/80 or worse on successful hero calls, I try to do them too often just because once I was right. Gonna see how much of this I can apply in the coming weeks.



Look at first spoiler, work on the listed mistakes and improvement points and you will do way way better -.-
Think we got very similar mistakes

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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Nov 18 2010 20:36. Posts 15163


  On November 18 2010 17:17 boreHM wrote:
you can spice up the math example by giving your opponent the 4bet and a 4bet% and then you shove and have fold equity too and villain has a calling range obv


Yeah I like completely forgot even the basic equations lol. I will make a separate blog on math

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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Nov 18 2010 20:38. Posts 15163


  On November 18 2010 14:05 waga wrote:
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This is probably the best advice.
bluff too much / never fold in big pot , is probably the biggest leak of the nl50/100 player.
(they don't vbet enough ofc , but that's another point)

You think way too much lemon imo.
To beat those limits you don't have to be really creative.
You just have to be patient ,not tilt and table select.



Yeah I just found out I am lacking the overall 'mentality'. Don't know how to describe it but I am lacking an overall strategy, and with that comes uncertainty, tilting and mistakes.
Its so much easier when you enter a session with 'don't bluff in big pots' and 'think 2 streets' goals.

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mnj   United States. Nov 19 2010 12:15. Posts 3848

vbetting should be like 90% of your money at these stakes when people are incapable of making folds

game=beaten


casinocasino   Canada. Nov 19 2010 15:01. Posts 3347

"My focus has been on advanced topics after my break, but I think in all that excitement I forgot to refresh the absolute basics." this is the absolute truth, and possibly the answer to your own question.

You are over-thinking-things....


LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Nov 21 2010 14:04. Posts 15163


  On November 19 2010 14:01 casinocasino wrote:
"My focus has been on advanced topics after my break, but I think in all that excitement I forgot to refresh the absolute basics." this is the absolute truth, and possibly the answer to your own question.

You are over-thinking-things....



Yup, hence the return to basic concepts.

And today I scraped the positional raise sizing, that stuff just created unwanted extra variables

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