Ty Engage (+Thin Red Line)

And if you cry small sample this is his NL400+graph:
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How does the redline work?
Bluffing
Actually way less important than many people think. People that try to fix their redline are often fixing what isn't broken in the first place and just start to play like aggro monkey and lose even more money.
Value betting
You'd think vbetting is good only for your blue line. You vbet more you just get more value right? Thats not true.

Imagine a spot on the river when you have the best hand 75% of the time and you check.
You check: 75% pot gets added to the blue line (EV*POT)
Redline remains stationery.

You make a thin vbet here:
Lets say you get called 50% of the time when you bet, and you win 3/5 and lose 2/5. This might or might not be good for your blue line depending on the betsize etc (compared to a check).

Half the time when you get called, 60% of the pot gets added to your blue line.
But now 50% of the time you don't get called you are adding to your redline.
In this example both your red and green lines will go up when you valuebet thin.

Bluff catching
Again If you are capable of making hero bluff catches you naturally think about your blue line, because you win more at showdown when you catch a bluff.

Lets say you are getting 2:1 on the river, If you have 40% equity you can make a +EV call good for your green line.
60% of the time you lose
40% of the time you win.

If you fold:
Blue line remains stationery
Red line goes down by what you put in the pot already.

If you call:
Your blue line will 60% of the time go down, 40% of the time will go up.
Red line remains stationery (its better for your redline than folding).

So calling here when you have the odds to call is good for your Green and Red lines, but bad for your blue line.

Grindcore never tries to win at non-showdown, but always takes the most profitable action, but it so happens he wins through redline pretty much.




The Standard game
How you play against unknown, average player at the game you are playing.
Is the backbone of your game.
You can deviate from your standard game once you get reads.

Most players don't deviate from their standard game enough. They make basic adjustments like value a bit more against a calling station and bluff less, but many players are very limited.

E.G. a player that folds a lot to cbets. Your adjustment should be to cbet a lot, even 100%. His adjustment should be to stop folding to your cbets. But people don't make these types of adjustments almost at all, and are capable of only really crude and obvious adjustments, and they stay quite close to their standard game.

If you find even a small leak in a regular's standard game at SSNL you can exploit it over and over again because they won't pick up on it. First level where people really start adjusting well is NL600.
At NL200 the very best regulars are capable of adjusting, at NL400 only the better ones and only at NL600+ you can assume that most unknowns are adjusting to you.



Preflop deviation: Opening
You can change your pre-flop ranges without changing your frequencies by adding more 'Strong' hands or 'Pretty' hands (strong hands are hands that make big pairs like AKo, pretty hand don't make pairs byt make a lot of draws like 9Ts)

Lets say you are opening 25% from CO. Of those 20% is pp, broadway any As and you always open them. The last 5% you have a choice - Offsuit aces OR suited connectors (strong/pretty hand).

Against weaker players suited hands go up in value. They are not bluff catching enough and will not pay off your value bets. Semi bluffin >value betting.

Against calling stations that don't fold bluff catchers, semi-bluffing goes down in value, but value betting goes up in value. Strong hands > Pretty hands.

e.g. 3 stations behind you ->fold hands like 79s, but raise hands like A8o
3 Weak regulars behinf you -> 79s is now way better than A8o because semi-bluffing will have much better value than vbetting.

Position
You also have to pay attention to position. If a player that doesn't like folding IP you should play tighter and use more strong hands. It will be hard playing against him with pretty hands OOP (This applies not just to fish but many regulars BVB or CO v BU).
When you are IP it will be much harder for him to adjust and people also play tigther oop.

Who gives you action?
Usually the button and big blind are most likely sources of action for you and people tend to play tighter in the small blind.
Fish are likely to call regardless of position.

You shouldn't have a standard opening range from any position, you should look at players who are likely to give you action and ask yourself ' what should be my opening range in this spot?'. You should have unique VPIP and PFR for every spot that you open because villain composition and their position will be unique most of the time

What is your image
Did you just show down a huge bluff a couple times in lst few orbits?
Probably a good idea to tighten your opening range

Were you card dead and your VPIP is low?
Well now you can get away with much more and you can steal wider range as you will get more gredit.

Stealing
Many times you can you can steal 100% of hands.
If you raise 3X in SB. The big blind has to defend with 40%+ of hands if he isn't, you are instantly showing a profit on your steal even if you open fold every single flop.

Almost no TAGs are defending 40% hands in their BB at SSNL.

As a rule of thumb, if VPIP of villains <20 you can open 100% of hands on button or small blind. (OF course if you do it so often they might pick up on it and start 3betting you light, so pay attention to that).


To be continued . . . (Calling, 3betting, and very detailed discussion on use of specific STATS/how to deviate against specific leaks)

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you make big blogs yo

On November 26 2010 11:27 bigredhoss wrote: you make big blogs yo

Thanks
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good notes, thx !

cliffs?

Lol why does he have to describe ev in terms of lines?
If it's more profitable to thinly value bet then do it, the results of your red or blue lines should be completely irrelevant.

Just seems like another good player pandering to the masses and spewing out info in a useless tone. Obviously this could help you fix red line leaks, but it seems people who worry about their red line completely ignore the fact that their blue line is the other half of their game that could potentially have just as many leaks.

Engage I think you may have slightly turned on Lemon after reading this.....just slightly tho

On November 26 2010 13:22 Bigbobm wrote: Lol why does he have to describe ev in terms of lines? If it's more profitable to thinly value bet then do it, the results of your red or blue lines should be completely irrelevant. Just seems like another good player pandering to the masses and spewing out info in a useless tone. Obviously this could help you fix red line leaks, but it seems people who worry about their red line completely ignore the fact that their blue line is the other half of their game that could potentially have just as many leaks.

I actually don't think he does - he just describes the way he plays and the results (which happen to be a massively positive red line). Not sure if you've seen his series on DC but I have to agree with Lemon - I think it's the nuts. Not because I give much of a crap about red and blue lines but because of the way he thinks about situations. Not enough of it rubbed off though.....maybe I need to revisit again.

tldr

LOL

use moar pics next time to tell story

On November 26 2010 13:22 Bigbobm wrote: Lol why does he have to describe ev in terms of lines? If it's more profitable to thinly value bet then do it, the results of your red or blue lines should be completely irrelevant. Just seems like another good player pandering to the masses and spewing out info in a useless tone. Obviously this could help you fix red line leaks, but it seems people who worry about their red line completely ignore the fact that their blue line is the other half of their game that could potentially have just as many leaks.

Fail in my explanation of his thoughts most likely. Or you TL;DR'd it too ;o. He puts a lot of emphasis on the green line being the only thing that really matters throughout the series, and on what is profitable. The introduction noted here is just basics and common misconceptions about the redline and its impact on both blue and green lines. Really there is not one spot in his sweats or in his HEM stats analysis where he says 'do this because you boost your red line' but all he mentions is 'do this because its profitable and correct adjustment to villain'.

He is one of the best players in terms of specific adjustments that makes videos (well he made one series and disappeared).

On November 26 2010 14:00 4Kingell wrote: Show nested quote + On November 26 2010 13:22 Bigbobm wrote: Lol why does he have to describe ev in terms of lines? If it's more profitable to thinly value bet then do it, the results of your red or blue lines should be completely irrelevant. Just seems like another good player pandering to the masses and spewing out info in a useless tone. Obviously this could help you fix red line leaks, but it seems people who worry about their red line completely ignore the fact that their blue line is the other half of their game that could potentially have just as many leaks. I actually don't think he does - he just describes the way he plays and the results (which happen to be a massively positive red line). Not sure if you've seen his series on DC but I have to agree with Lemon - I think it's the nuts. Not because I give much of a crap about red and blue lines but because of the way he thinks about situations. Not enough of it rubbed off though.....maybe I need to revisit again.

You probably also TL, DW (didn't watch) effect. The first video is ultra theory and stats heavy and goes on for 90 minutes, I don't even think its possible to watch it in one sitting and absorb everything, my post is just on 20 mins and thats including an entire introduction to the series and of the author and some people still say its too long to readxD

Hell, I didn't even watch it a year ago at all, but it has some sick adjustment and discussion on the entire HEM popup.

youve recently had probably one of the best blogs on lp, always looking forward to your posts, keep it up lemon

one thing though

Stealing Many times you can you can steal 100% of hands. If you raise 3X in SB. The big blind has to defend with 40%+ of hands if he isn't, you are instantly showing a profit on your steal even if you open fold every single flop. Almost no TAGs are defending 40% hands in their BB at SSNL. As a rule of thumb, if VPIP of villains <20 you can open 100% of hands on button or small blind. (OF course if you do it so often they might pick up on it and start 3betting you light, so pay attention to that).

Not sure if he addressed this in the vid or w/e but I mean in a vacuum this is true but if you are prone to making bigger mistakes postflop (and we all are) you really can't get away with stealing so much unless your game is really solid. Even if you are playing postflop well, what if the regs smarten up and start 3betting more? once that dynamic changes it's likely youll have problems adjusting. or maybe you'll invite this because let's say you play very strong in these sorts of situations, but i highly doubt it (very few profitably thrive on this sort of dynamic). keep an open mind and always consider the end game plan and your own abilities and limitations.

FF to :30

hey
i am happy if i helped you realise some things about your game ;p
i havent read all the text but the graph with the red line in the positiv...its kinda retarded
having the red line in the + doesnt mean you need to have blue line in the -
here my graph for september

so you see
there is a middle :op
so dont start being OVER aggro donk moron it doenst help

On November 26 2010 17:24 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Show nested quote + On November 26 2010 14:00 4Kingell wrote:   On November 26 2010 13:22 Bigbobm wrote: Lol why does he have to describe ev in terms of lines? If it's more profitable to thinly value bet then do it, the results of your red or blue lines should be completely irrelevant. Just seems like another good player pandering to the masses and spewing out info in a useless tone. Obviously this could help you fix red line leaks, but it seems people who worry about their red line completely ignore the fact that their blue line is the other half of their game that could potentially have just as many leaks. I actually don't think he does - he just describes the way he plays and the results (which happen to be a massively positive red line). Not sure if you've seen his series on DC but I have to agree with Lemon - I think it's the nuts. Not because I give much of a crap about red and blue lines but because of the way he thinks about situations. Not enough of it rubbed off though.....maybe I need to revisit again. You probably also TL, DW (didn't watch) effect. The first video is ultra theory and stats heavy and goes on for 90 minutes, I don't even think its possible to watch it in one sitting and absorb everything, my post is just on 20 mins and thats including an entire introduction to the series and of the author and some people still say its too long to readxD Hell, I didn't even watch it a year ago at all, but it has some sick adjustment and discussion on the entire HEM popup.

I've watched the first vid a few times and it's one of the few vids that I have taken notes on (as I learn better that way not because I necessarily refer to the notes). I haven't revisited the series for a while though.