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NewbSaibot United States. Dec 08 2010 16:28. Posts 4946 | | |
Been trying to incorporate body language in my live poker games recently, just because I feel there is some slight edge to be had here that I've been ignoring all this time. I've always been a strictly "range find" type player, you know like observing previous hands and how they were played to determine your likely holdings, because all my experience comes from online play.
Anyway I raise KQo and get flatted by the SB. Flop comes K86ss and I'm holding 1 spade. Villain checks I bet and he snap calls. I put him on a flush draw, likely the ace high flush draw, or maybe just Ax that he doesnt feel like folding. Turn brings a non-spade ace. He insta-overbet jams allin, like 60BB's into 20BB pot.
I had only observed about 10 showdown hands from him, and every time he had something decent he was fixated on the board with lasers coming out of his eyes. I tend to notice this a lot with players recently. I assume because they are concentrating on the value of their own hand, checking the flop 100x per second to make sure they have what they think they have, etc etc. But not this time, this time he was all over the place. He was very non-chalantly looking about, not really caring about the board at all.
Now I know Caro says a disinterested player probably has the nuts or whatever. And in general I have found this to be the case as well. But I mean cmon, going from always staring at the board to doing something completely different? It's gotta mean something AMIRITE?! I decide to be a hero and call my whole stack off with 2nd pair entirely because I thought he was bluffing. He turns over A3s for the combo nuts and I fail. Funny thing is, I put him exactly on a hand like this when I broke it down like I normally would without trying to spot tells on people, and would have very comfortably folded. I then abandoned everything I knew about him based upon one instance where his body language shifted because I thought I had a tell. And in a way I did I guess, I just misinterpreted it.
Moral of the story? Online players are much better than live players for a reason, and accurate hand analysis is vastly superior to live "tells".
Now there's one other FPS'ing reg that I simply KNOW is bluffing when he stares at you. Lets see how much I pay to find out!
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OpWestAcct United States. Dec 08 2010 16:48. Posts 640 | | |
Insta muck. Live players always donk jam when they bink top pair. |
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JSquids United States. Dec 08 2010 18:10. Posts 1142 | | |
live players r very weak, esp in casinos. esp in AC |
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YoMeR United States. Dec 08 2010 22:04. Posts 12438 | | |
:Been trying to incorporate body language in my live poker games recently, just because I feel there is some slight edge to be had here that I've been ignoring all this time."
it's not a small edge.
it's a gigantic edge. if you find someone's weakness/strength tell it's time to start smiling to yourself like an idiot and get paid hardcore.
like with anything it just takes time and practice to be able to pick up on tells efficiently and effectively. |
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thewh00sel  United States. Dec 09 2010 01:20. Posts 2734 | | |
yeah with any basic poker fundamental knowledge live tells become way more valuable than ranges. You can literally start putting people specifically on air or on exact hands PF if you know they have aces when they open raise and if they never adjust then it becomes worth infinite money as long as they keep playing. |
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