how to get reads?

watch showdowns

really depends on the circumstances of the 3b

"i play nl100 atm and i can tell you for a fact, shipping QQ pre as a standard is a monster leak."

Are you playing FR?

And if it is a leak or not depends on how you`re playing in the rest of your game

On January 22 2011 17:30 johnmagi wrote: "i play nl100 atm and i can tell you for a fact, shipping QQ pre as a standard is a monster leak." Are you playing FR? And if it is a leak or not depends on how you`re playing in the rest of your game

assuming players adjust to your image is a leak imo

buy hand histories for 1 bi you can get a lot og hands

On January 22 2011 18:02 mnj wrote: Show nested quote + On January 22 2011 17:30 johnmagi wrote: "i play nl100 atm and i can tell you for a fact, shipping QQ pre as a standard is a monster leak." Are you playing FR? And if it is a leak or not depends on how you`re playing in the rest of your game assuming players adjust to your image is a leak imo

reg adjust
fold QQ versus a reg is a leak
fold QQ versus a fish is a monster leak

For the question itself , I dunno
I fold AJ AT KQ but call suited connectors and PP IP
OOP I fold.

how do you play TT+? ATs+? 78s+?

depends on the positions positions where you are sitting...

When you say shipping QQ pre is a big leak, do you mean at your level, or do you think this applies at lower levels too?
Do you mean its a losing play, or do you mean its just not the most profitable line?

I was curious how QQ does AIPF at 25nl, so I filtered QQ, with 'all-in preflop=true", it shows I'm winning 510bb/100 . Have you tried running this filter? I'm not comparing 25nl w/ 100nl, I'm just curious what yours would look like at 100nl?

510bb/100 ?
you sir , are a luckbox

On January 22 2011 19:00 waga wrote: 510bb/100 ? you sir , are a luckbox

This also doesnt even include the times you get a fold and pick up a decent pot uncontested. This is only filtering for when the money actually goes in.
Am I really a luckbox, or do ppl just generally suck at preflop ranges at 25nl?
I would be really interested in seeing other people at similar stakes run this same filter.

what is the size of your sample atate

for that specific filter, my QQ is slightly losing over a 74k hand sample it turns up like 114 hands I think.

It turns up 131 hands.
It seems to be right in line with other big pairs.
AA i'm winning 2365 bb/100
KK i'm winning 1496 bb/100
JJ i'm winning 337 bb/100
TT is where I start losing

Incidentally I'm losing slightly with AK and AKs, I would have thought I would be up with those too, so who knows if any of this means anything.

On January 22 2011 17:02 mnj wrote: with 0 info on a certain villain how do you get reads in 3 bet pots? like lets say you play like 30 hands, and he 3 bets you. how do you play TT+? ATs+? 78s+?

that depends fully on position, and after 30 hands you should have at least some idea of what he has been up to on the table or what you've been doing. Also stack sizes and such matter. Typically IP, 100bb deep vs a 3bet I would at the beginning just play straight forward, ship JJ+, AK, fold the rest. May occasionally call with stuff like AQs, but that is rare. The problem with JJ is when you face the 3bet you are pot committed to a shove after you 4bet.

calling blindly to see how he reacts feels sorta crappy. as even if i flop a top pair hand i'm uncomfortable getting the money in.

that's because vs an unknown villain this is a very shitty option at 100nl imo.

i play nl100 atm and i can tell you for a fact, shipping QQ pre as a standard is a monster leak. anyway got a big update in the works hope your january is a good month

if shipping QQ pre is a leak in ur opinion then you are doing something else wrong or just running bad. I had a stretch where I thought the same way. If villains are so tight they only ship it in with KK+,AK then start 4betting them nonstop since they will only ship it in with a super small percent of their 3betting range. If they only 3bet 2% or what not then just fold to the 3bets and don't think anything of it but raise them constantly since they will either be playing hands OOP vs u or will fold cuz they r probably nits.

i can give you the answer to your question but I would have to kill you soon after

fwiw my filter of ONLY when I'm all in pre with QQ does show me as down a couple of buyins in EV but its only happened 112 or w/e times which is likely too small of a sample to be reliable

if I filter only QQ its a ridiculously winning hand

and its a pretty significant winner for anytime I've 3b or 4b soo.. all in pre doesn't show the story

On January 22 2011 19:57 TalentedTom wrote: i can give you the answer to your question but I would have to kill you soon after

How soon? Because I might take you up on this if the grace period is long enough.

In a ~80k hand sample at NL 10, I have the following net EV profits for hands all-in preflop:

AK - (-582bb) (54 hands)
QQ - 7bb (33 hands)
KK - 82bb (22 hands)
AA - 1002bb (23 hands)

I stopped shipping AK / QQ 100% of the time pre around 20k hands ago.. noticed I got totally confused when villains flatted my 4bets, so I tried it for myself. Thus far this has been breakeven with AK and QQ over a sample of 50ish. None of these seem statistically significant though...