VPIP and Hands Played - NL25

Not pretty. The top pots were AQ vs AK on Axx in a 4bet pot (who called my 4bet for the second time) and turning a set and value cutting myself vs a backdoor FD. However, even with those being ignored and the standard EV beats being taken out, a lot of the $6-8 losses were due to not paying attention. I also witnessed myself missing many value bets on various streets, which is absolutely terrible if I'm going to play so many hands. Looking back on that session, I'd have to say I definitely did not have an edge.

Something I didn't think about is the effective hands I'm physically capable of playing. I convinced myself I could play 12 tables because that would equate about about 850 hands/hr, something I used to do without much of a hitch. However, of those 850 hands, I forgot that I am playing 40% of them. Back when I played FR, I would be playing 20% of the 850 hands (effectively 170) and folding the rest. Someone tell me if my logic is wrong, but that would mean the amount mental capacity I have to put into the 850 hands would be effectively the same had I played 1700 hands back in FR. In fact, probably a lot more since the bottom of my range is way harder to play.

If I'm correct here, then I've been making a huge mistake playing the amount of tables I have been, because I think my mental capacity gets maxed out around 150 non-folded hands every hour.

Anyway, none of that is an excuse for me saying that I'm +EV playing 40/30 or whatever, it's just a little theory that seems to make sense to make sense to me. So what I'm going to do is cut down to 6 fast tables. If that's a bit much, I'll try 6 normal tables or 4 fast tables. If for some reason I get totally bored with that, I'll cut down my stats to a more standard 20/16 or so and play 8-12 tables. Maybe I'll alternate between them or something.

I'll make at most two more blog posts at this limit, and then the next ones at NL50 (or a busto blog post). I'll see if I can make a video for you guys too.

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and i bought the elements of poker b/c i thought it was about mindset and u didnt respond
worst $10 spent

you suckkkkkkkkkkkkk

vid would be awesome! i already saw a couple of your videos and they were terrific, very inspiring, i really enjoyed your commentary. BUT, i cant find them on my hd anymore?? would you sir please be so kind as to pm me a link to the site where they were posted? also, GL at the tables!

Yes, the more hands you play, the less tables you should be playing imo. Unless you can handle them of course. I'd also stay away from fast tables if you are going to multitable with a wide VPIP, because you'll get in tricky spots where you'll need time to think. Really though, when you are that LAG, it's about the quality of hands over quantity imo.

Your last session seems nothing short of disaster, geez. At least your redline is keeping up.

move up to where they respect your raises.

They respect my raises at 5 card draw yessssss.

On March 15 2011 19:53 joLin wrote: move up to where they respect your raises.

On March 15 2011 19:53 joLin wrote: move up to where they respect your rakeback.

Deposited $50 on the 1st to challenge myself to play seriously. Tried to move up prematurely, got tilted, then hooked back on rush like the sweet sweet drug that it is.





Working with a mid stack strategy for NL5 rush once again (due to being able to cash out and restart tables over and over). Last time I grinded to $300 from $10 in a few days. Busted twice trying it again but both times I didnt stick to my original strategy and was exploring other theories to maximize EV. Can I do it? Wanna lay me some odds?

Well that didnt last. Lost to 11 suckouts in this single session. EV doesnt do justice, as there were some spots where the money simply had to go in on the flop. Meh, gonna wait till rakeback kicks in this friday and try again I guess.

stop obsessing with your red line, plenty of fish in 25, just value bet and bluff with equity wtf, shit you know all this already. I bet you're trying to play nl25 6max like some midstakes heads up coaching vid. Anything can happen in 4.5K hands so it can be the cards but hey, it's easy to have a positive redline when you make a blue line look like shit.

On March 16 2011 00:14 LikeASet wrote: stop obsessing with your red line, plenty of fish in 25, just value bet and bluff with equity wtf, shit you know all this already. I bet you're trying to play nl25 6max like some midstakes heads up coaching vid. Anything can happen in 4.5K hands so it can be the cards but hey, it's easy to have a positive redline when you make a blue line look like shit.

I mentioned it a few times already, but just to clarify for anyone else, I'm not obsessing over red line nor do I actually think I'm playing a preflop game that +EV. The point is I'm trying to get in as many spots as I possibly can, while at least trying to be marginally +EV overall in the process.

The idea is I'd likely get exponentially if I got into marginal hands and could correctly hand read situations where I can vbet very thin or bluff in correct spots. Even if that means playing 87o in a spot where it is bad, if I am able to only make it slightly -EV as opposed to massively leaking money, that would mean I have gotten much better. Anything that I feel wouldn't lose me too much money had I played perfectly I am willing to play.

I could deposit, play normally and grind some higher limits, but the point is I don't need to play poker for an income anymore, and I'm purely thinking of a way to get better at a much faster rate. I don't mind getting a bit of flack for it, but if people don't like it I'll limit posts. Personally I think it's amusing

I bet your hand reading and exploitation is just fine. You would probably be doing well playing like this at NL100+. NL25 still has too many stations calling without purpose. I mean you tell me, what seems to be an underlying theme to your losses playing like this at the moment? I dont think the micros are really a good place to experiment with new styles, simply because it'll be like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. You wont really know if what your profits were a result of good play or good luck.

I don't necessarily agree. Against the ones that I perceive to be somewhat thinking regs, I will sometimes try and exploit them in more complicated spots where I would look extremely strong in their eyes, but of course I don't do that against fish.

However, I think I can learn quite a lot on spots where I should be betting for value against fish. I exploit the fact that they are calling too wide, which is why I need to improve my ability to value bet them very thin. Let's say I bet flop and turn with 76o on a board that runs out 278 2 K. I check back river and villain shows KTo and scoops the pot. At the end of the day I lost the pot, however I have correctly assessed that said villain was calling the turn with what was likely any two overcards and got him to put in money behind.

The point is, fish are going to have winrates somewhere around negative 5-50ptbb/100. Even if you're not a very good player, you should be able to beat them for a sizable winrate. However, those who are capable of nailing every value bet and getting into as many pots as possible with them should have a much higher winrate than those who can't.