Grinding roulette

take a statistics class i guess

Do you know a lot of poker players that made their money from getting it in behind all the time?

how do you grind out -EV spots..?
I've never read anything about casinos forcing winners to keep their bet there for the next spin when it comes to roulette, but even if they do, isnt that just them trying to push their effective infinite bankroll edge by forcing individuals to martingale?

It's real easy to beat Roulette. Just play for a short term and get lucky. Maybe you'll perform +27 STD from the mean.

Actually I've learned statistics for 2 years while was in the college, but I think If you want to level it to pure theory you should use some sort of mathematics, but that's not the reason to make this post.It's calculated long ago that you lose in the long term with around 2%, so playing "by the book" in the best way should make you lose 2% of your starting bankroll in the long run.I'm asking about some real life experience and seeking the opinion mostly of people who have tried or want to try this.I have my ideas and I'm willing to talk about if anyone is really into it.

I am not posting this to argue so this is my last post about this theme that is not concerned with actual opinions of people who share the same idea as me.So to some of the post above - I have seen many time people losing pots in 80% to 20% odss or even greater and yes - this is the part of the game which make a lot of people to think that poker is a game of luck and not skills.The way you get through when this happen is with slef control and a good bankroll management which allows you to stay in the game while the luck is beating you.This is pretty much the way I want to look at roulette - yes there is luck involved and there is not such thing as premium bets as there's premium hands in poker, but still the odds being so close to even makes me think that maybe it's worth it to think about this even for a little before throwing the idea away.
There are many factor that are proven by the practice even though they have no theoretical foundation which I think makes this game beatable, but It's useless to try to explain something to someone who has already make his mind so I'll appreciate opinions of pople who actually are interested in this.You can also PM me if you want to discuss more in depth about this.
And finally - I know roulette pros - people who make living playing roulette, but am not close to them, but still the fact that such people exists is one more great reason to think about this.
- Leron

Send a PM to Phil Ivey

wait not roulette, dice, sorry

The onlyway I know how to beat roulette is.......finding casino that sucks at changing up their machines and some you can find a bias weight + a throwers bias. Pretty hard for that to happen but

unless your bankroll is infinity no system will overcome that 2%

"And finally - I know roulette pros - people who make living playing roulette"

is this a level? todays april 3. you are late 2 days.

unless you are a sick luckbox you cant possibly beat a game where every bet you make is a -EV one.

On April 03 2011 02:57 CrownRoyal wrote: unless your bankroll is infinity no system will overcome that 2%

doesnt having an infinite bankroll make it impossible to overcome the 2%?

assuming you play an infinite number of times.

Problem with roulette is you are putting money into a -EV long run situation. If you plan on say betting on red and doubling that to make up for what you lost and doubling that etc etc in order to keep breaking even with slight profits you have to keep in mind that there will always be a risk of ruin. Although the chance will be smaller depending on your bankroll size, there is always the chance you will go bust because you can't beat the house.

ive always wondering whats are all thos weirdos doing with their notebook, in my local casino. Tons of numbers weird graph and shits and a tons of chips waiting for the "right" moment to bet.
To me its just some random bums believing they could have an edge but who knows ^^
Worst idea ever imo
Waitig your all day for a tiny glimmering dont worth it i thnik

I love how people think they can gain an edge at a game like roulette tracking previous spins, with a pencil and chart provided by the casino.

Its strange they don't provide any tools to help keep the count in blackjack.

On April 03 2011 03:12 joLin wrote: Show nested quote + On April 03 2011 02:57 CrownRoyal wrote: unless your bankroll is infinity no system will overcome that 2% doesnt having an infinite bankroll make it impossible to overcome the 2%? assuming you play an infinite number of times.

interesting, i actually have no idea how to figure out the answer though

Assume martingale + inf br + you quit when you're up, yah I suppose theoretically that would be +ev right?

On April 03 2011 04:43 CrownRoyal wrote: Show nested quote + On April 03 2011 03:12 joLin wrote:   On April 03 2011 02:57 CrownRoyal wrote: unless your bankroll is infinity no system will overcome that 2% doesnt having an infinite bankroll make it impossible to overcome the 2%? assuming you play an infinite number of times. interesting, i actually have no idea how to figure out the answer though

well if you play infinitely with an infinite bankroll your result will tend towards expectation, so itd be -ev.