NL200 Live Poker

So he donked about pot? What was his position, and is this FR? I mean.. you can raise and get it in these spots since your equity is like.. around 40% here most of the time against tight ranges. But since we have position, and we are pretty deep, I'd rather use that to my advantage and call.

From my experience guys who don't like you never fold , so call
Take your time , show him you think about raising , it should give you a free card on the turn

8 players, he was UTG+2.

Part 2 of the story!

I call and the river shows . He bets about 50$ again. What now?

Instead of being annoying, here's part 3...

I shove and after much deliberation, he shows his cards to get a read from me. I don't know what he saw but he folded, I mucked. We asked the dealer to see the last card and it was ! I would have won the straight flush jackpot (about 300$ at the time) Not that it matters =)

Shoving good or bad?

You mean the turn was a J? So you made the 4card straight. Uh.. yeah, jamming is not good. Especially if you have that straight flush jackpot, it's like..massively bad.

but even without it, it's still super bad.. I don't think you should ever jam there ._.

lol equity from straight flush jackpot = something like 10$
we don't give a fuck.
Jam is good , you played it fine.

wtf Ariang ??!
hero have a straight and a redraw
vilain has a really strong hand and there is a PSB left
a lot of river will kill our action
equity from jackpot is less than 10$
seriously ... >_<

The board is 79TJ. Afaic, the action is pretty much killed already. I don't think villain can call a jam here with worse. If he does call, I'd expect to see a lot of 8x or even KcQc in villain's range. Seeing as how villain showed T9o there.. yeah maybe he's retarded enough to make a frustrated call with a set on turn. But unless that range is part of his turn call, jamming would be terrible since no worse can call imo.

Our hand's invulnerable as it gets and we have position. I rather call and allow the villain to spew a little more.

we want him to call with 8x , we freerolling.
we call a shove river so vilain can have KQ , it's the same for us.
8x is unlikely in our range , we 3bet , it's live ...
vilain induce , he should call a set and two pair

it's not even close.

I see what the difference is. You viewed villain's turn bet as an induce, whereas I saw it as a sign of no difference in hand strength from flop. So I didn't expect villain to be strong at all on turn. I am making a huge generalization however without proper reads (other than knowing that villain is a fish). So..yeah, without reads... jamming would be the right answer.

I'd prob jam if he bombed the turn, and call if his betsizing doesn't change from flop too much.

Thank you waga and Arirang for your insights! I was thinking what you guys were thinking and having the same inner debate...good to know I was not completely off the mark.

If you are capable of turning 1 pair hands into bluffs and he knows this, then a jam seems most profitable, since he will cf most rivers, and most live players will feel committed in this spot with 2 pair.

if you've been playing straightforward call and jam over any river bet of his, or bet around 150 if checked to on river.

hope this helps,
gl

makes sense to me neilly, thanks

Jamming flop is preferable because you have fold equity and your straight draws give you shitty implied odds.

Calling flop is poor, and raising turn is bad.

omg I feel so noob now