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jxzcvk   Australia. Jul 22 2011 00:07. Posts 7
hey guys.
I'm new to poker, started about a month ago and lost all my free $25 on party and started on everst with free $50 again yesterday and lost a bunch. Since I suck so much and I didn't get into longples free coaching i'm just gonna post here before I play today and see if I can get any help from you guys.
Here are my crappy results from yesterday -36bb/100hands

I was calling allins with top pair and shit and tried to play with 6 tables when I'll probly lose playing with 1 table.
Any advice is appreciated. Thanks

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kurtisturtle   United States. Jul 22 2011 00:30. Posts 19

i just started too.

before i even played first hand online, read all guides, took notes, and learned how to calculate expectation ([if total pot/cost to enter] is higher ratio than [total # unseen cards/# expected outs], i play the hand). then i went onto microstakes .02/.05 and followed

http://www.liquidpoker.net/pokerartic...e_a_winner_-_Chapter_3:_First_2_cards

to the letter. in 2.5 hrs im up $5 off of one table.

i have 3 goals while playing:
1) be aware of position
2) calculate expectation for every single change
3) guess what my opponents have whether or not im playing.

**if they seem consistently to be bad players (calling/raising random shit or unsuited face cards), i add a note that says fish. but im not good enough to identify the good players from lucky ones so ill get there later.

i do these every hand. you have to realize at this point that you dont know shit. just listen to what people smarter than you tell you, read guides, and try to apply theory to your play, understanding comes slow but steadily as long as you really think hard and do one thing at a time.

hope this is good advice and im not just high off of winning a big hand. if not, somebody after will correct me

im a noobLast edit: 22/07/2011 00:31

jxzcvk   Australia. Jul 22 2011 01:13. Posts 7

Hey, thanks for the advice dude. I've read the poker strategy guide to get my free $50 but I can't remember much of it already . I'll go study on that some more sometime.

So I played for an hour just then, only played 1 table cos I felt like I should learn the game 1st before going all multitabling and shit. Found myself doing alot better, having time to see what opponents are doing and stuff and stop calling allin with pairs and stuff probably helped .
Results 103bb/100hands

Don't wanna get too carried away though cos I might've just got lucky. My opponents were super tight so I just kept bluffing them, I know it's not the right thing to do or whatever but it's it kept working so I just kept doing it . My showdown winning sucked though since I couldn't get any action out of them.
Any more tips are definitely welcomed. Thanks


NeillyJQ   United States. Jul 22 2011 01:27. Posts 8947

play tight, play in position, never be scared, valuebet valuebet valuebet.

do not bluff

fold when people invest alot of money and you have a medium strength hand. they won't fold and they have top tier hands.

take your time.

if you become flustered take breaks.

play 3k - 5k hands a day for a few months to get a good grasp.

post your hands, and post questions IN the hands so people know why you are posting them, so you can get help in all situations.

to be great at poker, you must learn to play all situations at a high class level.

Take your time, enjoy the game, valuebet, set stop loses (ie. - if i lose 4 buy-ins i will play tomorrow)

keep at it, GL

Just remember you need to be god damn sure about their tendencies. -Artanis11 http://www.pocketfives.com/profiles/neillyaa/ 

Magnum LP   China. Jul 22 2011 01:38. Posts 42

<_<

Play ABC Poker...lol

Just raise all broadways and 3bet AQ+ and JJ+ preflop. 3bet big.

Then bet bet bet (big) every time you have top pair, and cbet every flop that you're a preflop raiser.


K40Cheddar   United States. Jul 22 2011 01:46. Posts 2202

Your sample sizes in those graphs are far too small to mean anything. If your winrate is 103bb/100 in 45 hands your just running super hot and it's impossible to maintain in the long run. You will literally have to play tens of thousands of hands before you can decide if you are a winner or not.

GG 

jxzcvk   Australia. Jul 22 2011 02:06. Posts 7


  On July 22 2011 00:27 NeillyJQ wrote:
play 3k - 5k hands a day for a few months to get a good grasp.


O_o damn 3k hands? I only play like 50 hands per hr per table and I'm still going to university.
Thanks for the advice though I'll play whenever I have the chance.


  On July 22 2011 00:38 Magnum LP wrote:
<_<

Play ABC Poker...lol

Just raise all broadways and 3bet AQ+ and JJ+ preflop. 3bet big.

Then bet bet bet (big) every time you have top pair, and cbet every flop that you're a preflop raiser.


Thanks, so there's no thinking envolved? low stakes at least


  On July 22 2011 00:46 K40Cheddar wrote:
Your sample sizes in those graphs are far too small to mean anything. If your winrate is 103bb/100 in 45 hands your just running super hot and it's impossible to maintain in the long run. You will literally have to play tens of thousands of hands before you can decide if you are a winner or not.


Thanks I' still trying to learn the game so definitely not getting carried away here.


boreHM   Netherlands. Jul 22 2011 02:47. Posts 1595

find out soon that "I can't be this unlucky" is never a true statement

on these stakes you want to play tight
bet big with good top pair (or better) hands
if people raise you, just fold your one pair hands


K40Cheddar   United States. Jul 22 2011 12:04. Posts 2202

oh yeah if your a beginner I wouldn't suggest 3k hands a day. probably should limit yourself to maybe 250-750 a day and play around 4-6 tables once you feel you have a good basic idea of what you are doing.

GG 

NeillyJQ   United States. Jul 22 2011 12:38. Posts 8947

forget u don't 12-24 table, ya, play 500-1k hands a day

go over your losing hands when you finish your session as well

keep 6 tables going at all times when your grinding.

practice table selection as well. (sit vs bad fish, if your table has a bunch of fullstack players reraising preflop etc, then find an easier table where you make more free monies)

Just remember you need to be god damn sure about their tendencies. -Artanis11 http://www.pocketfives.com/profiles/neillyaa/ 

xdrb   United States. Jul 22 2011 13:40. Posts 184

Post your biggest losing hands as well and people here will take a look at them to see where you're bleeding

Also, wouldn't be a bad idea to post some hands you win/lose if you find yourself in questionable spots (even if you made the right/wrong call).


jxzcvk   Australia. Jul 23 2011 00:51. Posts 7

Thank you all for helping! Awesome advices.
I'll try play some hands today and post them


jxzcvk   Australia. Jul 23 2011 02:43. Posts 7

How do i delte double post?

 Last edit: 23/07/2011 02:44

jxzcvk   Australia. Jul 23 2011 02:44. Posts 7

Hey guys so I played for like another hour, about 200hands 4 tabling.
How do you guys figure out the right amount to bet and do you type it in or try to drag the slider or is there a faster way?
The tables are kinda small 4 tabling so the sliders even smaller and gotta take my hands off the thing to type, bit annoying.

Anyways here are my results


And this is the hand where I got my ass handed to me
The situation is I just won the opponents whole stack like $3.50 AA against KK last hand. He called my raise and I just thought he wanted revenge on me and was playing like a maniac.
The flop looked so safe to me I was just like damn ima take all of this noobs money again I was so dumb and probably a little too excited that I didn't even see the straight coming at all(yeah i know im fucking dumb).

EverestPoker Game #6943128741: Table Kolonia-14 - $0.01/$0.02 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:12:26 - 2011/07/21
Seat 1: bonah ($8.71)
Seat 3: JigDraw ($2.00)
Seat 4: Gecko89 ($2.00)
Seat 5: ThePhenomBr ($1.98)
Seat 6: cricriyern12 ($1.99)
cricriyern12 posts the small blind of $0.01
bonah posts the big blind of $0.02
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bonah Kd Kh
JigDraw folds
Gecko89 raises to $0.08
cricriyern12 folds
bonah raises to $0.14
Gecko89 calls $0.06
*** FLOP *** Jc 5h Qd
bonah bets $0.29
Gecko89 calls $0.29
*** TURN *** 8d
bonah bets $0.53
Gecko89 calls $0.53
*** RIVER *** 3c
bonah bets $0.97
Gecko89 raises to $1.04, and is all-in
bonah calls $0.07
bonah shows [Kd Kh]
Gecko89 shows [Tc 9c]
*** SUMMARY ***
bonah shows Kd Kh
Gecko89 shows Tc 9c
Gecko89 collects $3.75

 Last edit: 23/07/2011 02:46

k4ir0s   Canada. Jul 23 2011 17:44. Posts 3478

for that KK hand reraise more preflop, the standard reraise size is usually 3x his raise, so make it around 0.24.. but as played you did nothing wrong postflop, just shove the river.

2-3k+ hands / day is a good amount if you really wanna advance in poker, but you'll only be able to play that much when you get good at multitabling. Eventually you'll get better at it, just stick with 4 tables right now, or whatever amount you're comfortable with until you learn the basics.

Also, theres really no point in looking at your winrate after a few hundred hands. It could take up to 100k+ hands to find out your true winrate

I dont know what a dt drop is. Is it a wrestling move? -Oly 

k4ir0s   Canada. Jul 23 2011 17:51. Posts 3478


  On July 23 2011 01:44 jxzcvk wrote:
How do you guys figure out the right amount to bet and do you type it in or try to drag the slider or is there a faster way?



Just bet 2/3 or 3/4 of the pot, theres no point in betting less at those stakes. Also I just type the bet in, I use a hotkey script called starshotkeys, dunno where I downloaded it from, but it helps with betting faster.

I dont know what a dt drop is. Is it a wrestling move? -Oly 

jxzcvk   Australia. Jul 24 2011 23:59. Posts 7

Thanks guys .
Guess I'll report back after I play more hands


 



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