HU help plz

#2 He often calls my 3bet with alot of suited connectors/gapper type hands, but he could also have hands like A8o i think.. it kinda feels weak to fold here knowing that he probably has alot of FDs? deep here also
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#3 turn bet good or bad? should I continue my bluff here?
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volante2die4 = 55/45, 75% fold to 3bet, 38% fold to cbet, 23% c/r flop,
#4 is checking the turn better?
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#5 I feel like im overplaying my hand, but he's probably gonna shove the river anyways if I check.. so I figure by shoving I can atleast rep a missed draw..dunno how lite he's calling me down.
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#6 I was wondering.. is it ok float this flop? since we're deep and I can hit some backdoors, if so, what do I do when he checks a brick turn?
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#7 do i bet now? is my flop call ok?
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feeling pretty depressed about this, 2k lost trying to improve my HU game, coulda used that money on a coach! i'll be moving up to 2/4 FR at the start of next month

Why do you like 3bettin A8o QJo A9o deep oop so much? I wouldn't when I'm learning HU, you are just forcing shit spots oop on yourself :O

QTs I like to flat the raise as he should barrel on flushes as Qx that you hit.

67o I prefer 3betting his raise because the above won't happen and you don't mind folding when he re-pops you,

A2s really depends on how he reacts when you don't rep much, if he will fold air you can raise the flop a lot

i came up through poker as a full ring player and until recently always had trouble with hu.

what helped me improve was to stop trying so hard to win every pot. instead incorporate your full ring skills into your hu game and make some minor adjustments rather than try to be something youre not. im still not a great hu player, but i feel comfortable playing hu now.

and watch a bunch of videos, youll learn a lot.


hand 1: i dont like the 3bet. youre pretty deep with a hand that doesnt flop too well. your 3betting range this deep should be something like TT+, AQs,AK, suited connectors as a baseline. if he 4bets more than he calls then you can 3bet smaller pairs (to 5bet jam) and more crap hands. if he calls more than he 4bets mix in more broadway hands.

i would just call the raise and play from there. trying to get it in here vs a range of air, big draws and hands that have you dominated seems really bad


hand 2: tough situation, i probably play similar


hand 3: i overbet shove. your range on the river is occasional slowplayed QQ, 99,Q9, flush, 67/65/75/A2/A5. his hand is in between your value hands and bluffs so you need to bet big here. I dont think you show up with KK+ or AQ/KQ/QJ too often because you probably either 3bet the flop or check back the turn with most of those holdings, but if you do show up with them here, your river betting range doesnt change much.


hand 4: def check the turn. betting never gets better to fold, and since you cant get 2 streets of value from worse (he prob bets his low flush draws on turn) you should check back and choose to put the value bet in on the river.


hand 5: again not a huge fan of the 3bet. unless you are getting murdered on A high flops in 3bet pots you shouldnt be 3betting the bad Axo imo. i think i probably check the turn and proceed from there.


hand 6: good flop to float, but bad hand to call 3bet with. youre a little deeper so its slightly better, but still when you call i feel like you are sitting there going "please flop diamonds please flop diamonds please flop diamonds" and flopping pairs or gutshots isnt exactly a great result. its kinda borderline with 180bb, but just know its really bad with 125bb and less


hand 7: flop call standard, i try to check down

On July 26 2011 18:29 Daut wrote: hand 3: i overbet shove. your range on the river is occasional slowplayed QQ, 99,Q9, flush, 67/65/75/A2/A5. his hand is in between your value hands and bluffs so you need to bet big here. I dont think you show up with KK+ or AQ/KQ/QJ too often because you probably either 3bet the flop or check back the turn with most of those holdings, but if you do show up with them here, your river betting range doesnt change much.

I love that :O

Why are you learning HU at NL100?

just took a look at hands and i love playing hu vs players like you, being overaggressiv gona put you in shit load of troubles, hu isnt only an aggro game, its not actually... just a mind game

On July 26 2011 18:29 Daut wrote: i came up through poker as a full ring player and until recently always had trouble with hu. what helped me improve was to stop trying so hard to win every pot. instead incorporate your full ring skills into your hu game and make some minor adjustments rather than try to be something youre not. im still not a great hu player, but i feel comfortable playing hu now. and watch a bunch of videos, youll learn a lot. hand 1: i dont like the 3bet. youre pretty deep with a hand that doesnt flop too well. your 3betting range this deep should be something like TT+, AQs,AK, suited connectors as a baseline. if he 4bets more than he calls then you can 3bet smaller pairs (to 5bet jam) and more crap hands. if he calls more than he 4bets mix in more broadway hands. i would just call the raise and play from there. trying to get it in here vs a range of air, big draws and hands that have you dominated seems really bad hand 2: tough situation, i probably play similar hand 3: i overbet shove. your range on the river is occasional slowplayed QQ, 99,Q9, flush, 67/65/75/A2/A5. his hand is in between your value hands and bluffs so you need to bet big here. I dont think you show up with KK+ or AQ/KQ/QJ too often because you probably either 3bet the flop or check back the turn with most of those holdings, but if you do show up with them here, your river betting range doesnt change much. hand 4: def check the turn. betting never gets better to fold, and since you cant get 2 streets of value from worse (he prob bets his low flush draws on turn) you should check back and choose to put the value bet in on the river. hand 5: again not a huge fan of the 3bet. unless you are getting murdered on A high flops in 3bet pots you shouldnt be 3betting the bad Axo imo. i think i probably check the turn and proceed from there. hand 6: good flop to float, but bad hand to call 3bet with. youre a little deeper so its slightly better, but still when you call i feel like you are sitting there going "please flop diamonds please flop diamonds please flop diamonds" and flopping pairs or gutshots isnt exactly a great result. its kinda borderline with 180bb, but just know its really bad with 125bb and less hand 7: flop call standard, i try to check down

thanks alot for the advice ;o

Im pretty new to HU, half way through my session I started understanding that 3betting hands like A8o, QJo wasn't profitable. I was 3betting hands like that because the villan was calling my 3bets soo much (~70%), so I figured it was a good idea to build the pot with a better hand than him.. even OOP. Is this thought process correct? or am I only suppose to open my 3betting range vs nits who have a very high fold% to 3bets..

ill take your advice and watch some HU videos. But as an FR player, do you think it's worth going through all this trouble to learn HU? Will it be beneficial to me when im playing high stakes FR?

On July 26 2011 18:22 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Why do you like 3bettin A8o QJo A9o deep oop so much? I wouldn't when I'm learning HU, you are just forcing shit spots oop on yourself :O

true, I learned that the hard way

On July 27 2011 21:09 k4ir0s wrote: Im pretty new to HU, half way through my session I started understanding that 3betting hands like A8o, QJo wasn't profitable. I was 3betting hands like that because the villan was calling my 3bets soo much (~70%), so I figured it was a good idea to build the pot with a better hand than him.. even OOP. Is this thought process correct? or am I only suppose to open my 3betting range vs nits who have a very high fold% to 3bets..

I've payed for a couple of HU lessons, and what I learned was that while it may be true such hands like A8o are better than villains range in an absolute sense, they are just too hard to play OOP if you know 100% he's going to snap call, and run the risk of losing control of the pot too quickly. It's better to just call or even fold at least for a beginner. If he's some retard that never folds to 3bets, then ignore all the small EV you miss and make it back with better hands, plus playing him in position. You're just going to do so much better playing vs these people in better spots. Or maybe 3bet suited connectors every now and then since they are easier to play and can royally assfuck him when you hit.

learning a new game e.g. 6max and HU is going to take quite alot of effort and time. Learning both will help your FR game but may take a while/hard work to get there. And learning new game means less time grinding out FR, so that's some $ lost, let alone you might not be able to win as much or at all playing the new game. I think you should just stick to FR unless you plan to change your main game to 6m or HU sometime in future. You could work on your HU game, it feels better being able to start tables and play most regs HU in FR.

(FR player converting to 6max and dabbled with HU)