Sinking red line

dont worry about it, you red line WILL go down on micro stakes unless you spew - just make sure you focus on value betting your hands properly. Start worrying about red line at nl50.

1: Green line is the only one that matters. Different playing styles make the blue and red lines look different.

2: Your red line is almost flat dude. My redline has always been a lot worse.

I found one of the first posts I made here where I asked about red line and stuff. I copy pasted the relevant parts below. I guess my red line wasnt that much worse than yours but what Im trying to say is that it doesnt matter, you can have a bad red line and still have a good winrate

1. Winrate. Over my 20k hands at 20 NL I have a winrate of 10.8 bb/100.

2. Redline. My redline goes down steadily. After 20k hands it's down 2800 bb while my blueline is up almost 5000 bb

c/f when you miss oop is a lot better at nl2-nl5, cbetting and getting called more than %75 of the time then c/f turn or river will turn your redline to shit too. try cbetting more IP when being the aggressor mostly, since microlimit players tend to be more fit/fold when they get isolated or flatcall from the bb. dont try too hard with the redline until maybe nl25 or even nl10, ive tried playing nl10 this year to check it out and it seems ppl fold alot more than ppl here tend to believe.

Don't get too concerned with the red or blue line. As long as green line is going up, it's fine. I mean, it's good that you are thinking about it, but it's not really much to consider imo. Let me explain:

Let's say that an opponent never folds flop and turn, but always folds river unless he has the absolute nuts to the board. How would you beat him? Well, you'd just bet all three streets. It would not be possible to have a positive blue line against this player since every time he calls you down, he will have it. But in return, your red line will skyrocket. In the end, your green line goes up.

Conversely, if an opponent never folds, how do you beat him? You beat him by thinly value betting the opponent. Would you ever bluff him? No. Because he never folds. So, in theory, it's actually impossible to have your red line positive against this player, while your blue line is skyrocketing. Regardless, your green line goes up.


In micro limits, many players are like that of the second example. Obviously not as extreme, but still, the idea is there. What wins at those limits are good, solid vbets. Make strong hands, get it to showdown and get paid. It's not that out of norm for a winning player at those stakes to have a declining red line. I suppose a really good player can have like a breakeven or slightly winning red line along with a beastly blue line at micro limits.

Don't be too concerned about your stats either. While there are some numbers that are kind of important, there's no magical number that you must hit in order to play a perfect or an unexploitable game. You should be more inclined to paying attention to each players' frequencies and tendencies and think about how you can exploit them. And depending on the players you meet on the table, that will fluctuate your stats per session.

All in all, just do what wins.

your red line is good/standard :O

Btw that is a good cbet success rate bri :O

if you cbet 3/4 you need to take it down just 43% of the time to make instant profit, 2/3 just 40% WITHOUT ANY EQUITY WHEN CALLED.

Tbh generally I cbet more at NL2-NL5 than I do at higher stakes, as people are more fit/fold and they don't pay attention to betsizies (like I cbet 45-50% with ait against unknowns with dry board and 66-75% with a made hand)

lol busto nvm

On August 08 2011 12:39 SoC wrote: lol busto nvm

you serious? Me too :O.
$0 and 30FPP, no coming back from that

On August 08 2011 14:02 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Show nested quote + On August 08 2011 12:39 SoC wrote: lol busto nvm you serious? Me too :O. $0 and 30FPP, no coming back from that

Well withdraw $100, decided to book a night out clubbing so needed the $$ and lost $100. So not busto as such, just withdrawed roll

Pretty standard microstakes blue/redline imo.