lol this is like the 3rd time this has happened at nl50 total spazz, I'm not used to these and natural response is to shove :O

I 3b him quite a few times good spot to widen my value 3b range a lot id flat in bb 3b sb - is this correct?

One thing I will need to get good at is having a flat 4b range against these small 4bets in small blind (no need in BB I can just flat more 3b polarized), the stacks become gay and shoving seems weird.

Q:
1) 3b sizing vs
-1.5bb
-minraise
2) Need to have 4b flatting range?
3) 4b sizing

It totally tilts me and dunno how to adjust. HU as well I just completely give up on 3bet mid value hands and flat a ton when they minraise - how do I react to the minraise +small 4bets?

fold to 3bet/4bet range ?
Sample is not big, dont like this... too fancy for me, 490hands is too smal sample for me to do it.

On March 21 2013 18:18 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Q: 1) 3b sizing vs -1.5bb -minraise 2) Need to have 4b flatting range? 3) 4b sizing It totally tilts me and dunno how to adjust. HU as well I just completely give up on 3bet mid value hands and flat a ton when they minraise - how do I react to the minraise +small 4bets?

I can tell you what i do in these spots.
First thing its not 1.5bb its 2.5bb raise 1.25 = 2.5x

Vs 2.5x i usually make 4x oop and 3.5x ip. so its like 4.25$-5$

Vs minraise just 3bet it as normal raise, ip i make 4x oop 4-5x

"2) Need to have 4b flatting range?"

Sure i like flatting monsters specially ;p
ATo is just fold imo, its very hard to play it in 3bet/4bet pots

"3) 4b sizing "

Fold, here it will be 5bet.
Anyway vs standard 3bet like 1.5$ 3bet to 4.5$ i would make 4bet like 9.5$-10.5$ 2x-2.5x is fine

On March 21 2013 18:19 GosuRage wrote: fold to 3bet/4bet range ? Sample is not big, dont like this... too fancy for me, 490hands is too smal sample for me to do it.

stats are from NL50 in 2010, so useless. The shove is an autospazz my plan was to 3bet+fold to 4b and ATo is the bottom of my value part of 3b range here. I 3b value wide as I was active at the table and he folded a couple times already.

Just getting owned against the small sizings wasnt the case when I played NL50 in the past and people dont do it at NL25 and lower, especially the cheap 4b for him is tilting when I NEVER flat 4bets.
I find alot of players e.g. when I start tables at NL50 and they sit me HU on all of them/must be kinda good use the minraise small 4b IP strategy and I really want to know if the "never flat 4b" oop advice doesnt apply here since I got raped every time

I wouldn't flat with ATo still, just wonddering if I should have a range that flats like KQs KJs and other strong hands that aren't strong enough to just 5bet shove but are near top of my range

updated above, as i said ATo is just spazz dont like it ;p
You say stats are useless in there spot so just fold.
If u asking for thing like flatting 4bets/range to do it its schould be based on stats / good sample and reads.
If u dont have it just fold and dont level yourself easy.

nice donation.

I'd just fold pre.

but small 3bet for value can be ok if hes calling w much weaker hands and not 4betting much

ill make a thread
later tho. Basically how to react there since I dunno when I believe 4b aint just nuts or w/e

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