seems like they can only bet AQ+ here, since im checking all my Ax on the flop. and betting all my low cards on flop(the same as them). I havnt played zoom in a month, will the average 100reg bet worse Ax here?

imo they might bet any two they didn't like betting on flop logic being sort of you have like JT or 55 and will hate turn card and might fold

they might also bet AT, AJ to protect vs million draws...


depends on their 3bet %, too

BTN v BB battle u have the nuts

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was sure you were asking whether or not to raise turn

so you greenstar people raise the turn?

On March 22 2013 00:51 Trolala wrote: so you greenstar people raise the turn?

PU and Tom do because they are perceived as aggressive and this is an opportunity to get paid off. If you're not aggressive then you should just call.

ok, but for him to be able to bet AT for value on the turn i need to be calling with King high a decent amount. My range on turn is roughly AJ/AQ/Axs, some king highs-KQ, KJs, KTs. Is this not the range of the average reg as well?

i honestly doubt he has any clue what your range is for calling pf and also for what your range is for checking back the flop. yeah he can eliminate some hands sure but expecting him to not bet every ace at all on the turn based on him making some magical divination from both of the aforementioned factors perfectly which he doesnt know anyways is probably not right plus you factor him just deciding not to cbet randomly with some weird airballs and deciding to bluff on ace turn. you could raise turn to like 24 or something and it makes you sorta a dick to play against but realistically calling is better because people just barrel stupidly all the time in these spots and will put you on whatever he wants to to let himself barrel again [44/55/fd]. if river is a good card like a 7 and i have some sort of feeling about his bet size maybe i'll shove over a river bet otherwise probably just call again

So he's unlikely to be bluffing because he believes you would have bluffed with every non-A hand on the flop and hence have only Ax after you check it? So he's not bluffing much and you don't beat much, if any, of his value range.

Honest question, just trying to understand the hand from a mid-stakes perspective rather than my micro one. It just feels intuitive to me from a micro's perspective that he bets his entire range on this turn. Weighted toward bluffs since he prob bets overpairs/nuts on the flop so I call.

this could be a delayed c-bet with any 2, turned clubs, diamonds which were going for flop CR, Ax (which plans on check / bluffcatching brick rivers)

you also have the absolute top of your range, since I doubt most folks have AK in their range w/ your preflop actions.

I think call call is what I would generally default to (unless he bets super tiny on river) and overbet when checked to on brick rivers (and diamond rivers as well)

On March 22 2013 12:11 TalentedTom wrote: this could be a delayed c-bet with any 2, turned clubs, diamonds which were going for flop CR, Ax (which plans on check / bluffcatching brick rivers) you also have the absolute top of your range, since I doubt most folks have AK in their range w/ your preflop actions. I think call call is what I would generally default to (unless he bets super tiny on river) and overbet when checked to on brick rivers (and diamond rivers as well)

tow ftw