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Handnr: 1008083 Submitted by : Mardagg
PokerStars Hand #97458407414: Holdem No Limit (€0.50/€1.00 EUR) - 2013/04/21 0:36:04 CET [2013/04/20 18:36:04 ET]
Table Apollo IV 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Mardagg (€100 in chips)
Seat 2: m3nix (€100 in chips)
Seat 3: maxymo722 (€134.20 in chips)
Seat 4: baebba (€142.16 in chips)
Seat 5: Vikulja1993 (€40 in chips)
Seat 6: QlMEX (€100 in chips)
Seat 7: murena89 (€97.38 in chips)
Seat 8: AegisusRO (€134.10 in chips)
Seat 9: Vasya2505 (€122.73 in chips)
maxymo722: posts small blind €0.50
baebba: posts big blind €1
Holecards(Odds) Dealt to Mardagg
Vikulja1993: folds
QlMEX: folds
murena89: raises €2 to €3
AegisusRO: folds
Vasya2505: folds
Mardagg: calls €3
m3nix: folds
maxymo722: raises €9 to €12
baebba: folds
murena89: calls €9
Mardagg: calls €9
Flop(Odds) (Pot : $0.00)
maxymo722: bets €14.50
murena89: folds
Mardagg: raises €26 to €40.50
maxymo722: raises €81.70 to €122.20 and is all-in
Mardagg: calls €47.50 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (€34.20) returned to maxymo722
*** FIRST TURN ***
*** FIRST RIVER ***
*** SECOND TURN ***
*** SECOND RIVER ***
*** FIRST SHOW DOWN ***
maxymo722: shows (a pair of Tens)
Mardagg: mucks hand
maxymo722 collected €105.43 from pot
*** SECOND SHOW DOWN ***
maxymo722: shows (two pair, Tens and Sevens)
Mardagg: mucks hand
maxymo722 collected €105.42 from pot
Summary Total pot €213 | Rake €2.15
Hand was run twice
Board
Board
Seat 1: Mardagg mucked
Seat 2: m3nix (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 3: maxymo722 (small blind) showed and won (€105.43) with a pair of Tens, and won (€105.42) with two pair, Tens and Sevens
Seat 4: baebba (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Vikulja1993 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 6: QlMEX folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 7: murena89 folded on the Flop
Seat 8: AegisusRO folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 9: Vasya2505 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
wtf!?
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barbieman   Sweden. Apr 20 2013 21:10. Posts 2132 | | |
Don't know any history or how the table dynamics were. But I don't like that flat pre unless there's a fish in the blinds and no squeezers.
And If he thinks you only have fds with 76ss+, A2ss+, and sets, he's making a profitable call.
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Mardagg   Germany. Apr 20 2013 22:19. Posts 843 | | |
murena was the big 60/20 fish.
Villian is pushing vs my raise.Not sure what you mean by profitable call.He has very,very low fold equity,if at all in this spot.
We dont have much history,my range vs him is basically AQ,all good draws and sets,to sum it up:he either has 2 outs or is flipping vs draw+overs/draw + pair.
His play is terribad imo.Pretty tilting that his hand held even with rit.
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barbieman   Sweden. Apr 20 2013 22:43. Posts 2132 | | |
I meant getting it in, not calling.
Versus a 60/20 I don't think assuming you 3bet pre AQ is strange. Which you definitely should be doing imo.
16,830 games 0.000 secs 3,366,000 games/sec
Board: Qs 3s 7c
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 59.899% 59.90% 00.00% 10081 0.00 { 77, 33, AsJs, As9s, As8s, As7s, As6s, As5s, As4s, As2s, 8s7s, 7s6s, 6s5s }
Hand 1: 40.101% 40.10% 00.00% 6749 0.00 { ThTs }
He needs 35,4% to BE.
If we add AQ into your range as well, his equity is 32,6%. His play clearly isn't as bad as you think.
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Mardagg   Germany. Apr 20 2013 22:58. Posts 843 | | |
your stove is wrong. first you have Ac5c and 7c6c in it.second you miss myKsJs and 4s5s for gut shot+draw
Then,I like flatting AQ at times with squezers behind for exactly this reason.AQ is def. in my range.And some KQ as well.
The thing is, i would flat on the flop with some draws here.
My raising range is extremely weighted towards sets or very good draws/AQ.
I play my hand like a set.He never can assume that i will have a much wider preflop calling range because of the fish ,bc we dont have that history so far.
I would say,that i will have a set here 50% easily+10% for AQ,that leaves 2 outs 60% of the time.The other 40% he is going vs 12-15 outs.
For the following i leave out KQ,and only include the connector type of Ax hands.
27,720 games 0.000 secs 5,544,000 games/sec
Board: 3s Qs 7c
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 72.670% 72.67% 00.00% 20144 0.00 { 77, 33, AQs, AsJs, As5s, As4s, As2s, KsJs, 9s7s, 8s7s, 7s6s, 6s5s, 5s4s, AQo }
Hand 1: 27.330% 27.33% 00.00% 7576 0.00 { ThTs }
And this is,as i said,only if we assume i would raise all my draws all the time here,which i wouldnt.
I would say the true equity given the likelyhood of sets for me ,for him lies somwhere between 14 and 18% at best. |
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barbieman   Sweden. Apr 20 2013 23:11. Posts 2132 | | |
whoops, my bad on the club hands, edited it. |
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VanDerMeyde   Norway. Apr 21 2013 05:45. Posts 5113 | | |
I think your range has TT CRUSHED here... |
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:D | Last edit: 21/04/2013 06:06 |
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barbieman   Sweden. Apr 21 2013 09:17. Posts 2132 | | |
To be clear I am saying that a TT stack-off here makes sense if he knows/thinks Mardagg's range here is those hands. Not that it should be a standard play readless.
Just answering the "wtf?!" which i interpreted as being semi rhetorical/"What the fuck was he thjnking?" |
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TalentedTom   Canada. Apr 21 2013 10:22. Posts 20070 | | |
i like how when people make a loose play lose a hand then complain about villian stacking off light lol
he didnt shove because he thinks you had AQ or a set...
Maybe villian has been reading LP.net hand history and realized that everyone slowplays their big hands 100% of the time postflop |
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Mardagg   Germany. Apr 21 2013 10:46. Posts 843 | | |
I complained because 1010 JJ AK and random xx squeeze type of hands have to instafold vs my raise.at least thats what i thought when i raised him.I was sure my fold equity was huge,like 50% or so, vs above average squeeze type of player.
He did instapush braindeadly,not even think a second.
Hence i say wtf.
@ barbieman
Your numbers are still slitgthly off.The club hands did lower the equity considerable.
He needs 35% to BE and has much less with AQ included,and slightly above that(38%) if you exlude AQ.But if you include KQ it gets really bad for villain..
At full ring people usually have a very hard time pushing here with KK or AA.Actually i believe many 100NL regs would FOLD Aces here because my play just screams "set" with the fish involved . low stakes Nitring is all about being able to fold not making crazy plays.
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TalentedTom   Canada. Apr 21 2013 11:20. Posts 20070 | | |
maybe you should explain to him why he should fold the flop |
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VanDerMeyde   Norway. Apr 21 2013 11:35. Posts 5113 | | |
i seen Mardagg shove KQ type of hand here vs me |
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