PokerStars Zoom Hand #97577570026: Omaha Pot Limit ($1/$2) - 2013/04/23 23:47:52 AEST [2013/04/23 9:47:52 ET]
Table Diotima 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: 31PokerGod31 ($309.25 in chips)
Seat 2: wobbly_au ($281.30 in chips)
Seat 3: IV.Geoffrey ($237.20 in chips)
Seat 4: LoVeG@N ($188.83 in chips)
Seat 5: rrobert333 ($275.95 in chips)
Seat 6: TuhaniHuhtsu ($524.65 in chips)
wobbly_au: posts small blind $1
IV.Geoffrey: posts big blind $2
Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to wobbly_au 
LoVeG@N: folds
rrobert333: folds
TuhaniHuhtsu: raises $3 to $5
31PokerGod31: raises $13 to $18
wobbly_au: raises $43 to $61
IV.Geoffrey: calls $59
TuhaniHuhtsu: calls $56
31PokerGod31: calls $43
Flop(Odds) (Pot : $244.00)
wobbly_au: checks
IV.Geoffrey: bets $176.20 and is all-in
TuhaniHuhtsu: folds
31PokerGod31: raises $72.05 to $248.25 and is all-in
wobbly_au: folds
Uncalled bet ($72.05) returned to 31PokerGod31
Turn(Odds) (Pot : $420.20)
River (Pot : $420.20)
Showdown
IV.Geoffrey: shows 
(a pair of Sixes)
31PokerGod31: shows 
(a pair of Jacks)
31PokerGod31 collected $593.60 from pot
Summary
Total pot $596.40 | Rake $2.80
Board
Seat 1: 31PokerGod31 (button) showed and won ($593.60) with a pair of Jacks
Seat 2: wobbly_au (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: IV.Geoffrey (big blind) showed and lost with a pair of Sixes
Seat 4: LoVeG@N folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 5: rrobert333 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 6: TuhaniHuhtsu folded on the Flop
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MeProOk Bulgaria. Apr 23 2013 09:59. Posts 246 | | |
You have to be getting this in with this SPR... this is one of the best flops you can hope for and you have a gutshot too! |
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wobbly_au Australia. Apr 23 2013 10:09. Posts 6540 | | |
i was gna c/c vs 1 but not 2 or more.. im still not quite sure. |
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TimDawg  United States. Apr 23 2013 10:28. Posts 10197 | | |
yeah i'm def shoving this flop |
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| online bob is actually a pretty smart person, not at all like the creepy fucker that sits in the sofa telling me he does nasty shit to me when im asleep - pinball | |
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Trolala Estonia. Apr 23 2013 10:51. Posts 2050 | | |
if you gonna fold this, what flops do you really like, so what's the point of 4betting? |
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wobbly_au Australia. Apr 23 2013 10:53. Posts 6540 | | |
| | On April 23 2013 09:51 Trolala wrote:
if you gonna fold this, what flops do you really like, so what's the point of 4betting? |
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uhm... its 2 people going allin and he only has AA (that is likely not good) and a gutshot that could very easily be dead.
Isnt this a fine fold ? He is drawing to counterfeit 2 pairs or even set a lot of the time, some times the gutshot is good, this is kinda the best hands he can hope to face with this action... and its rare he has this good equity...
Seems a bit result oriented to be to say he should get it in |
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| :D | Last edit: 23/04/2013 11:32 |
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Nuros United Kingdom. Apr 23 2013 11:33. Posts 860 | | |
With a psb left on this flop it's gotta be right (or at least not bad) to shove even 4way, as played you can't really call, I'd prefer the c/c (ai) 1 and fold to 2+ on a wetter board |
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Twisted Netherlands. Apr 23 2013 11:40. Posts 10422 | | |
This is an auto-shove on the flop. |
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lacman730 United States. Apr 23 2013 11:59. Posts 311 | | | |
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wobbly_au Australia. Apr 23 2013 12:10. Posts 6540 | | |
wow.. my friend just explain clearly why this is bad...
brainclick. |
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rememp Canada. Apr 23 2013 12:16. Posts 480 | | |
| | On April 23 2013 11:10 wobbly_au wrote:
wow.. my friend just explain clearly why this is bad...
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Can you elaborate? |
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wobbly_au Australia. Apr 23 2013 12:47. Posts 6540 | | |
i assumed everyone knew..
but NL and PLO is different in equities in multiflops.
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| The Last Laugh. | Last edit: 23/04/2013 12:49 |
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MeProOk Bulgaria. Apr 23 2013 13:27. Posts 246 | | |
board: jh6d4s
Hand Equity Wins Ties
AcAs5d2h 38.62% 216,774 29,838
10% 20.54% 116,046 14,363
10% 20.50% 115,877 14,257
10% 20.35% 114,956 14,313
and even:
board: jh6d4s
Hand Equity Wins Ties
AcAs5d2h 38.41% 184,690 91,514
5% 20.49% 106,183 33,519
5% 20.48% 106,126 33,549
5% 20.62% 106,914 33,641
Is this a good enough explanation? 
Edit: forgot to input the suit of the 6d on the flop |
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wobbly_au Australia. Apr 23 2013 13:28. Posts 6540 | | |
no... that is not even close to enuf.. poker is about decision trees.. and that is just too simple..
also 10% is a horrible indicator because that would be too KKXX heavy |
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MeProOk Bulgaria. Apr 23 2013 13:44. Posts 246 | | |
The thing, in my personal opinion, is that they cannot allow themselves to call all the actions preflop with anything else than a good rundown hand, double suited kings and some good doublesuited queens. Very unlikely someone has JJ, which is one of the two kind of combinations which you can be afraid of. The only other type of hand that could dominate you is 4567, 5678, 5789 4678, but these are very unlikely as people avoid playing them multiway, as their straight draws and 2 pair are almost always dominated and flush draws are crushed. Even if this is the case, it is still mathematically correct to get it in (you have 36%equity). In other words, the top 10 and top 5% is not far from the reality... and even if we widen their range a bit with the hands that i mentioned, you are still way above their range.
also if you get it in first, there are occasions, in which some people will fold their good equity against you and this is one of the most important things in PLO actually. |
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wobbly_au Australia. Apr 23 2013 13:44. Posts 6540 | | |
now that is a far better explanation.
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AndrewSong United States. Apr 23 2013 13:47. Posts 2355 | | |
This is like the best flop. I dont see how u could ever fold. Its also unlikely they have much sets in their range |
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RiKD United States. Apr 24 2013 19:24. Posts 9020 | | |
Stack sizes make this not fun. Obv player dependent but have to have some good, honest reasons to not get it in on flop. |
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