Could you ever not have value hand here?

you mean jm or wcg? anyway i have no idea.

i would guess that wcgrider almost always has Ax+ when he bets river. what jungleman checkraises with and wcg shoves with i have no clue.

can jungle ever c/r --> fold some part of his value range like JT on river? can wcgrider turn Ax into a bluff with the 3bet? (i guess this depends on answer to the former q or vice versa).. is it possible that it's correct for wcgrider to check back Ax no kicker on river vs a very good/tough player?

the part where you suggest wcgrider turning Ax into bluffs must come from watching too many longple hands
i would describe such an effort as trying to catch a knife

On May 22 2013 11:21 cariadon wrote: the part where you suggest wcgrider turning Ax into bluffs must come from watching too many longple hands i would describe such an effort as trying to catch a knife

well he probably can't call the c/r with Ax and if jungle can fold JT (no idea if he would) it might be pretty good?

i mean obviously i don't know and just random speculating, but pretty sure i would think the same way with or without longple hands i assume you're thinking of the hand where longple turned that KQ into a bluff, i don't think (possibly) turning Ax into bluff here is remotely similar to that.