lol

what is the worst you vbet here vs that line?

i peob vb the AQdd KQdd, i should prob fold KJdd and KQdd on flop tho

whats funny is that what does he really expect to beat with 68, i cant come up with anything else then AJdd, so 1 combo that he beats, i guess 2 with KJdd but he cant be sure of me haveing KJdd, so ill give him 1.5 combos

nh

Looks like a good call by him. You'd probably shove 89, TT, JJ+ any other set on the turn, basically any made hand on the turn. So your range here is basically flush which would of raised a certain percentage on the flop, maybe AQdd, KQdd or a float turned into a bluff and he's getting like 3.5:1 on his manies no?

its a horrible call, sure i will bluff at a 100% rate with my AJdd and KJdd and that isnt close to enough with 86, and no i wont shove obv everytime on the turn with a made hand, and if i turn a made hand into bluff hes beat by that turned 78s 88 99 (i might do that)

i really wonder what this guys thoughtprocess is when he analyses this spot

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edit: sry didnt mean to sound douchy, but im def not shoveing for value everytime on the turn if i did that i should jamm flushdraws too but vs his sizeing (wich i also think is bad cuz hes kinda committing himself on the turn so vs that sizing i dont feel much fold EQ with draws and i do have some fair bit of T9s 99 88 type hands that wont shove turn aswell, so im def calling turn pretty much everytime with my nuthands too, i dont expect to lose much value cuz in the first place i think its just a really bad bet for him for his range is he has overpairs and stuff)

in a vacuum tho vs a guy like this it probably is a pretty good play to jamm superunbalanced on turn for value cuz i dont think hes folding much when he bets this big even tho he really should, and kinda shouldnt lol cuz its so cheap for him to call turn vs a jamm, its just straight up bad with his 1 pair type hands overpairs etc

edit2: i doubt he thinks hard about it but if he did think that "because i bet and commit myself longple should probably jamm turn with sets and stuff to protect vs my draws aswell as not lose value on some rivers vs my overpairs since im telling him im committed"

in reality what will happen is the exact opposit, and even if he did think that and thats his reason behind ch/snapping riv i still think its really bad, ITS 1 COMBO OF BLUFFS, 2 at best and its still not enough vs my turned madehands into bluffs that beats him, my flushes and my Qx together with guessing if i jamm exactly 100% of all of my 2 pairs sets and straights on the turn

you got got

I dont understand NL holdem anymore

You represent a strong hand, nothing missed, you have a ton of strong hands in your range, you are capable of slowplaying both flop/turn and he clicks call

Dont bluff a fish ?

ple what about A4,A5,A9,J9,K9 of diamonds? obv not with 100% freq but surely possible no ? still is prolly a bad call but given 5-7 combos and 3.5 to 1 odds it might be closer than it looks imo.

to be fair iirc this guy is a bit of a spazz so all this thinking might have not entered his mind.

On June 13 2013 09:35 EvilSky wrote: ple what about A4,A5,A9,J9,K9 of diamonds? obv not with 100% freq but surely possible no ? still is prolly a bad call but given 5-7 combos and 3.5 to 1 odds it might be closer than it looks imo.

fold pre or 4bet A4 A5s

the others fold pre, J9 i mixx up and call sometimes these positions, but vs a 54$ 3bet i prob fold

On June 13 2013 07:52 PoorUser wrote: you got got

These were the exact words that went through my head as I read the hh.