Do not like...need to have really good reasoning to call here

U block some of his value hands but also a ton of his bluffs. He needs to have frequencies of 2007 Elky or similar for this call to be good IMO

against 2007 elky this is a value river check raise

the guy is a fighter, not insane but he tries to win pots harder than most

while I was playing I thought having Kd was good for me but actually having Kd and Kh is certainly bad for me since they are blocking a lot more combos that he could bluff with than combos he will value bet with.


roughly calculated

value combos blocked: 4
bluffs combos blocked: 12

how do you think we should weigh these in though? The value combos he will 100% play this way but the bluff combos he will only play this way some % of the time.

Like if I block 4 value combos and 4 bluff combos do you think that's neutral or do you think it's better for me?

I think the answer will really depend on how likely he is to bluff the combos of hands that I block but certainly a 1:1 ratio of good blockers:bad blockers has to better for me. Probably something like 1 good: 1.5 bad seems to be more neutral but yeah it will really depend.

betting flop sucks

play more nitty. you can't cbet then c/c turn unless a diamond comes. and check flop seems a lot better than cbetting and c/f turn all the time, since your protecting hands that you will have to c/f with.

On August 09 2013 02:46 Stroggoz wrote: betting flop sucks

deppends

On August 09 2013 03:18 Stroggoz wrote: play more nitty. you can't cbet then c/c turn unless a diamond comes. and check flop seems a lot better than cbetting and c/f turn all the time, since your protecting hands that you will have to c/f with.

flop value bet is very good here imo. what checking range are you even trying to protect?

On August 09 2013 05:43 tehduper wrote: Show nested quote + On August 09 2013 03:18 Stroggoz wrote: play more nitty. you can't cbet then c/c turn unless a diamond comes. and check flop seems a lot better than cbetting and c/f turn all the time, since your protecting hands that you will have to c/f with. flop value bet is very good here imo. what checking range are you even trying to protect?

i don't think protecting c/f range here is a big factor, its a small consideration. But my main point is that the only thing to do after cbetting flop is to c/f turn(unless its a diamond). thats why i think checking flop here is better.

I would not be cbetting hands that completely miss here. i think villian hits flop a lot, and we shouldnt be cbetting more than 50%.

can't think of any reason to check flop besides making the hand easier to play. this is clear bet on flop.

I think checking flop is fine if villain's a fish, not great if we're playing vs a reg

Someone who wants to check flop please explain to me why.

cant go for 3 streets, almost no cards to worry about on turn, and checking keeps the hands he would fold to a bet in his range since he probably has a range of like 25% of hands here. sure worse will call or raise flop but feels like they will make your life miserable with a bunch of those hands on many runouts and id prefer to just make his range that much wider from the start

i do see the merits of betting, but i feel like i have an uncbettable hand here more than most as some of my 3bets bb vs button are total trash suited hands like 95ss 84ss etc. but if you are 3betting a top heavy range or a range that includes suited connectors more then cbetting your whole range is probably the right idea

its fine to bet its fine to chk. duh

flop & turn pretty standard, river is a fold vs most opponents but I can't really say a call is wrong... just a decision/read you gotta make in the moment, but like you said, this hand is not the best for bluffcatching considering you're blocking alot of relevant combos of hands he can turn into bluffs. Def a tough call to make