this is lighting the money on fire

I thought he was going for the flush draw. He was tighter than me, and I'm a nit.

fold this to the 3bet pre. on flop, check behind and take the free card. fold to the flop raise. fold the turn bet.

this is not nitty.

Everything chris said, and my best advice is don't try to play fancy at low stakes if you want to win (not sure if you just play for fun). Just play your strong hands and get max value. Ez game.

Also, he's probably not that much tighter than you if he's 3betting you with 68o oop def note him on that.

If he was playing nitty, your call is going to be -EV (even though you have position and great pot odds). Your hand against a tight range will have a lot of reverse implied odds, meaning that even if you do hit your top pair you will still be in a marginal spot, because a tight 3b range consists of hands that have yours dominated(AQ, KQ, possibly QJ, and obviously all the monsters JJ+,AK).

Could say moar but 3:30 am and don't really even know what I just typed.

fold pre

On September 17 2013 03:25 Sanity wrote: Everything chris said, and my best advice is don't try to play fancy at low stakes if you want to win (not sure if you just play for fun). Just play your strong hands and get max value. Ez game. Also, he's probably not that much tighter than you if he's 3betting you with 68o oop def note him on that. If he was playing nitty, your call is going to be -EV (even though you have position and great pot odds). Your hand against a tight range will have a lot of reverse implied odds, meaning that even if you do hit your top pair you will still be in a marginal spot, because a tight 3b range consists of hands that have yours dominated(AQ, KQ, possibly QJ, and obviously all the monsters JJ+,AK). Could say moar but 3:30 am and don't really even know what I just typed.

villain didnt 3bet, he nitted his way into cold calling a 3b w/ 86o

yea cold calling a 3 bet from the BB with 68o is pretty nitty

I'd figure nitty is like a vpip 20 or below.

for opening ranges over a decent sample size, maybe; but calling 3bets with QTo multi way is not nitty, its very rare that its good. postflop is just spewing money. no need to get fancy at 4nl, just play rock solid

How often should I expect to get paid off with a monster? Cause when I have a tight image, everyone folds unless they have a set or more, which then I'm usually beat.

On September 17 2013 00:20 Gnarly wrote: I thought he was going for the flush draw. He was tighter than me, and I'm a nit.

so you called qto pre when a ''nit'' cold called a 3 bet?
ok....

On September 17 2013 09:16 player999 wrote: villain didnt 3bet, he nitted his way into cold calling a 3b w/ 86o

Fuck this is why I shouldn't give advice when delirious.

On September 17 2013 19:08 HeRoS)eNGagE wrote: Show nested quote + On September 17 2013 00:20 Gnarly wrote: I thought he was going for the flush draw. He was tighter than me, and I'm a nit. so you called qto pre when a ''nit'' cold called a 3 bet? ok....

It was either his first or second time calling. Being that he's 100% aggressive otherwise, I couldn't put him on a monster pre.

hes a nit or hes aggro?
wtf

He has a very tiny vpip% while have a near infinite aggression factor.

lol holy shit
best preflop call ever then
..

DUDEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

when your notes/stats tell you that someone is only playing big hands pre and play them aggresivly postflop...
you have to do the exact opposite of what you did
you are welcome

if the thinking you got here ever cross your mind again(''if i hit i get paid'') tell yourself that you are a fish
you might learn

They aren't playing only big hands. Just because someone has a very tiny vpip doesn't mean they don't ever bluff. He was polarized.

And I'm not looking to get hit only, I'm looking for a board that doesn't look good to a polarized range.

or you can fold preflop and control variance and make the +ev play
you are ''drawing'' to a good board
you are also ''hoping'' he has shit
belive me this is way too much button clicking

On September 17 2013 00:15 TalentedTom wrote: this is lighting the money on fire

QFT...nothing really to discuss here. Playing in this manner will result in money being lost over time. You will not be profitable like this.

this is definitely either a monkey tilt play or god forbid: your standard go to in spots like these.

On September 17 2013 20:42 HeRoS)eNGagE wrote: or you can fold preflop and control variance and make the +ev play you are ''drawing'' to a good board you are also ''hoping'' he has shit belive me this is way too much button clicking

What about trying to change my image? As I've already posted in this very hand, when I do have it, I never get called down, ever.

On September 17 2013 20:46 YoMeR wrote: Show nested quote + On September 17 2013 00:15 TalentedTom wrote: this is lighting the money on fire QFT...nothing really to discuss here. Playing in this manner will result in money being lost over time. You will not be profitable like this. this is definitely either a monkey tilt play or god forbid: your standard go to in spots like these.

It is tilt, from not getting paid off. Ever.

On September 17 2013 21:04 Gnarly wrote: Show nested quote + On September 17 2013 20:42 HeRoS)eNGagE wrote: or you can fold preflop and control variance and make the +ev play you are ''drawing'' to a good board you are also ''hoping'' he has shit belive me this is way too much button clicking What about trying to change my image? As I've already posted in this very hand, when I do have it, I never get called down, ever.

you can do that without making ugly play lol
riase lighter every pos and start to 3 bet more, but dont go retarded...

also most people dont care about image they just play their hand
i see regs getting money in with JJ vs 10/8/2 players

specialy at such a limit btw, just play ABC

Well played.

Every street was misplayed, starting with PF.