This guy was a loose caller when he ever had anything.

I'm actually down half of my money with AKo lol. I don't know if I should just bust the other ten and then try to put my live roll on there which is only a couple hundred and the live action in town seems to be drying up.

What made you think not cbetting the flop and betting the turn would be wise?

Cbetting the flop too often. There are people who do catch on to things. Like me. And I'm sure I'm not the only one who does.

You're not.

Your rationale for not cbetting the flop and betting the turn is because you *assume* others pay as much attention as you do? It has nothing at all to do with the fact that you could win the hand outright, depending on the texture of the flop? Nor the fact that people could call you with aj/aq/wtfever because they assume you to be cbetting too often?

I suck at poker. I admit it. I'm a lot better than a lot of people, and a lot worse than a lot of people. I feel like you don't take advice well. I'm gonna look at some of your past histories before I make that judgement though. brb

I was wrong. I had assumed you had been one of those whiny titty bitch babies that post a hand looking for advice than act like a dicktard when you get it.

Again, sorry about that. Pokers tough man, that's for sure. Beautiful thing about it is that there's no concrete right or wrong answer in numerous situations.

But sometimes there are. q10 is a bitch hand when getting 3b pre oop. hahaha had to say it.

And btw, I think you're EightFouro. But that's just between us.

or was it 4bet? wtfever. I'm too drunk for this nonsense right now

Maybe there are other players who think to themselves, "Well, he's cbetting the flop every single time, maybe I can trap him?" So, by not cbetting every single flop possible, I would think that lessens the chance of getting targeted for a trap.

I could win the hand outright, but then again, he's a loose caller. I didn't see him folding his pairs or draws, regardless of what they were. So, I'd figure a cbet with player texture would be no good. And on the texture of the flop, there isn't a high card out there. I'm not going to be having pocket aces every time I raise, and by calling, I don't think this guy thinks that either.

On September 18 2013 02:24 devon06atX wrote: or was it 4bet? wtfever. I'm too drunk for this nonsense right now

No. I called the 3bet. Though, you are wrong about who I am. It's so easy once you see me.

drunk. sorry

On September 18 2013 01:51 Gnarly wrote: Cbetting the flop too often. There are people who do catch on to things. Like me. And I'm sure I'm not the only one who does.

fuck that bro only play level 2 - think about his range and you be fine for a very long time

as a extension to what you assume their adjustment is: aka flatting more flops why not barrel turn/rivers more often then?

On September 18 2013 02:32 Gnarly wrote: Maybe there are other players who think to themselves, "Well, he's cbetting the flop every single time, maybe I can trap him?" So, by not cbetting every single flop possible, I would think that lessens the chance of getting targeted for a trap. I could win the hand outright, but then again, he's a loose caller. I didn't see him folding his pairs or draws, regardless of what they were. So, I'd figure a cbet with player texture would be no good. And on the texture of the flop, there isn't a high card out there. I'm not going to be having pocket aces every time I raise, and by calling, I don't think this guy thinks that either.

Even if he is a "loose caller" your logic is flawed , im giving you 3 reasons for that : 1) Even vs a pair, AK has decent equity ( around 25%) to improve to the best hand by the river 2) If he is a looser caller , he is calling the flop with random broadways /draws vs which AK is in an even better shape.3) If you do not know what he is doing, you should worry about playing your range correctly and less about what opponent might or might not do. For example on this flop, you are raising these x hands and you are betting the top y% portion of those x hands. AK should be in those top y% of hands you are raising preflop that have decent equity on this flop.For example it is much better to bet AK on 3 6 8 rainbow/twotone flop than A2. A2 will win less often by showdown vs 1 pair hand than AK. Also think about how your range looks like if u are not betting decent broadways on this flop. If u are only betting >1pair hands here, you cannot really have top pair type of hands on K/ A turn rivers, which in turn makes your betting range on turns/rivers too narrow (2 pairs/sets +) so opponent will have an easier time playing his range. Since u will not be able to bet much on turns/rivers opponent will get to showdown alot with marginal holdings/better air and win alot more hands than he normally should. All of these are implications of the fact that you did not bet AK ( and probably other decent broadways) on the flop.

On September 18 2013 04:51 devon06atX wrote: drunk. sorry

i had detected you were drunk before reading this, true story.

On September 18 2013 05:53 Pb wrote: Show nested quote + On September 18 2013 02:32 Gnarly wrote: Maybe there are other players who think to themselves, "Well, he's cbetting the flop every single time, maybe I can trap him?" So, by not cbetting every single flop possible, I would think that lessens the chance of getting targeted for a trap. I could win the hand outright, but then again, he's a loose caller. I didn't see him folding his pairs or draws, regardless of what they were. So, I'd figure a cbet with player texture would be no good. And on the texture of the flop, there isn't a high card out there. I'm not going to be having pocket aces every time I raise, and by calling, I don't think this guy thinks that either. Even if he is a "loose caller" your logic is flawed , im giving you 3 reasons for that : 1) Even vs a pair, AK has decent equity ( around 25%) to improve to the best hand by the river 2) If he is a looser caller , he is calling the flop with random broadways /draws vs which AK is in an even better shape.3) If you do not know what he is doing, you should worry about playing your range correctly and less about what opponent might or might not do. For example on this flop, you are raising these x hands and you are betting the top y% portion of those x hands. AK should be in those top y% of hands you are raising preflop that have decent equity on this flop.For example it is much better to bet AK on 3 6 8 rainbow/twotone flop than A2. A2 will win less often by showdown vs 1 pair hand than AK. Also think about how your range looks like if u are not betting decent broadways on this flop. If u are only betting >1pair hands here, you cannot really have top pair type of hands on K/ A turn rivers, which in turn makes your betting range on turns/rivers too narrow (2 pairs/sets +) so opponent will have an easier time playing his range. Since u will not be able to bet much on turns/rivers opponent will get to showdown alot with marginal holdings/better air and win alot more hands than he normally should. All of these are implications of the fact that you did not bet AK ( and probably other decent broadways) on the flop.

This guy was playing over 60% of his hands, so no, he wasn't calling with any two broadways. He was probably either going with a low connecter or gapper. I had been fucked by flushes probably about ten times last night, so I was a little cautious with the flush draw.

I usually do cbet my AKo, but like I said, I didn't want it to be completely obvious I was bullshitting it. Like I said before, I'm not going to have aces every single time, and I don't think this guy would've thought so, either. I think he thought my range was pretty tight, as well, as I usually see loose callers looking to call down a tight player to out play them on the flop.

Vs just a pair, I may be okay to improve, but I think he was on either straight or flush draw with the chance of two pair flopped.

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You said villain hvae 60% VPIP and you talk about your image and your perceived range???

On September 18 2013 11:29 HeRoS)eNGagE wrote: .. You said villain hvae 60% VPIP and you talk about your image and your perceived range???

I have other players to think about, too, lol.

A good rule of thumb is, versus fish, you don't need to bluff much.

Cbetting this flop is a decent though because you probably have the best hand and you have equity even if called; also he can call with worse hands.

After you check the flop, betting the turn looks fishy, so expect to be called very light almost always.

On September 18 2013 11:19 Gnarly wrote: This guy was playing over 60% of his hands, so no, he wasn't calling with any two broadways. He was probably either going with a low connecter or gapper. I had been fucked by flushes probably about ten times last night, so I was a little cautious with the flush draw. I usually do cbet my AKo, but like I said, I didn't want it to be completely obvious I was bullshitting it. Like I said before, I'm not going to have aces every single time, and I don't think this guy would've thought so, either. I think he thought my range was pretty tight, as well, as I usually see loose callers looking to call down a tight player to out play them on the flop. Vs just a pair, I may be okay to improve, but I think he was on either straight or flush draw with the chance of two pair flopped.

60% of hands is just a pretty weak range vs which ak is ahead on the flop or has decent equity. Seems like u are abit results oriented after running bad. Betting Ak on the flop is not bullshit, most of the times u and villain will have hands with equity that do not make pairs, and since villain is playing 60% of hands he will have alot of poor equity hands that are pairless and which are unlikely to make a pair by river in contrast to Ak which has around 25% chance.U dont need to have aces here to bet every time, most of the times u will be betting hands that have just equity. You also cant outplay a tight range if u are playing 60% of the hands, u just wont have crap most of the times while opponent can bet almost all of his range on most flops and get away with it..because what can you do about it when u have so much air with your 60vpip ?

if you check this flop just go for check/fold the entire way, betting turn doesn't accomplish much

What do you know, the exact thing that I wanted to avoid... happened.