So close to that final table, yet so far.....This hand right after this one:

Submitted by : napoleono

PokerStars Hand #105706434096: Tournament #801475969, €2.00+€0.20 EUR Holdem No Limit - Level XXIX (2400/4800) - 2013/10/18 20:43:18 ET
Table 801475969 30 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: jans290 (118330 in chips)
Seat 2: YOUnGshOt89 (54235 in chips)
Seat 4: im570rm (175589 in chips)
Seat 5: beautdayStar (27032 in chips)
Seat 6: Hero (169809 in chips)
Seat 7: CajabaTight (237059 in chips)
Seat 8: malorita1239 (511873 in chips)
jans290: posts the ante 600
YOUnGshOt89: posts the ante 600
im570rm: posts the ante 600
beautdayStar: posts the ante 600
Hero: posts the ante 600
CajabaTight: posts the ante 600
malorita1239: posts the ante 600
Hero: posts small blind 2400
CajabaTight: posts big blind 4800

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero
malorita1239: raises 5760 to 10560
jans290: raises 27840 to 38400
YOUnGshOt89: folds
im570rm: raises 136589 to 174989 and is all-in
beautdayStar: calls 26432 and is all-in
Hero: folds
CajabaTight: folds
malorita1239: folds
jans290: calls 79330 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (57259) returned to im570rm

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $283,852.00)

   

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $283,852.00)

   

River (Pot : $283,852.00)

   

Showdown
jans290: shows (a full house, Aces full of Kings)
im570rm: shows (two pair, Kings and Queens)
jans290 collected 182596 from side pot
beautdayStar: shows (three of a kind, Kings)
jans290 collected 101256 from main pot
beautdayStar finished the tournament in 14th place and received €13.02.

Summary
Total pot 283852 Main pot 101256. Side pot 182596. | Rake 0
Board  
Seat 1: jans290 showed and won (283852) with a full house, Aces full of Kings
Seat 2: YOUnGshOt89 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 4: im570rm showed and lost with two pair, Kings and Queens
Seat 5: beautdayStar (button) showed and lost with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 6: Hero (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: CajabaTight (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: malorita1239 folded before Flop

Fuck my life. I really thought I could do it, the field was pretty okayish. But cant do shit vs aces 2 times in a row...
Was like 6/13

you misplayed the KK - i think you need to consider position and what each raise represents a little bit better.

think of it like this - jans is raising utg, and even for the worst of players, that typically indicates a strong hand (or representing a strong hand). you raise him with KK, and that is completely appropriate, and you should expect jans to fold a good amount of the time, and for instances when you progress further in the hand, he is likely to call.

a pretty simple range you can put jans on, for the $2 limits, would be something like 77-AA, AT+ KJs KQ JTs and occasionally some deviations and random hands, and this can be considered a pretty loose range for UTG, let alone considering the stack sizes and blinds.

when you raise, you are representing a hand that can beat the range above, so really, you are repping hands like JJ QQ KK AA AK AQ, and JJ can be a flat call, as can QQ. when he raises you again, he is saying he can beat this range, so he is repping AA KK and sometimes AK

you have the KK, which makes him having KK very hard, as well as AK, leaving, more often than not, AA.

this is one of those instances where, unless you are playing someone on a higher level, and he realizes that you, too, are playing on a higher level, he is very rarely, if ever, bluffing, because the chips are going to get in with what each player has or is repping.

also note, when he makes another small raise on top of your 3bet, thats a better indicator of strength instead of him pushing. pushing includes a chance that he is a little weaker than implied range because he is maximizing his fold equity, whereas with his little raise, you 'shouldn't ever fold.'

and obv i really, really really hate folding KK and almost never have to

you seem to be getting fairly deep in these pretty often, but you need to work on your late game

need one hell of a read to fold kk for 35bb.. if you actually did have a read and didn't trust it cuz fuck it I have kk then misplayed but otherwise it's fine.

i saw "you misplayed KK" and kinda laughed.

Chris, you are a great player, but don't over analyze a microstakes tournament while holding KK you just aren't folding pre, and want to get it allin pre.

think chris mb trolling, i didn't read his whole post.

under 45bb and KK preflop is an auto-allin at every stage of the MTT. You want a bigstack to win, if he has AA so be it.

if you have tonnnns of hands on him and he has 0% 3b and 100% fold to 3bet and fold to 4bet and 0% 4betting over 500 hands, I can see playing the hand differently, but in MTT's you must stick with the most GTO option, and getting QQ-AA/AK in here is fine.

read chris's post which his through process has tons of merit, but its just terrible if you were to ever be folding KK in spots like this. ever. QQ is as light as I will get in here - but I might flat vs UTG opener with QQ and play post - very stat and player dependent. ICM matters much more in these spots.

KK/AA are auto allins imo / marginals like TT-QQ/AK vs his UTG are more often flats than 3bets. You stack the weaker pairs on many boards, and are not overplaying AK with over 30bb going into a weak final table.

get the chips tho

i do see KK as foldable to only this line by the way***

but on your stack size its just terrible to fold still - if he can do this with any hand thats not folding (TT-AA/AQss++ in general)

its all player tendencies and yes his line he does show u his AA pre here, at higher stakes we do this with tons of hands though, so I wouldn't look into it past the 22s~ still get ur kk in and win moreoften than not, and 5bet ur aces bigger or just jam them to get snapped off by 99++ more often.

The guy played completely standard. I was expecting him to show up with QQ+ or AK.

Also getting Aces 2 times in a row is pretty sick. Whats that? Like 1 in 50000? ^^

@chris: thanks for the detailed answer. Made a mental note. You can see im capable of laying down big hands when i have a read - i posted it a bit earlier. And i totally need to work on my lategame (and early as well). The andrenaline rush when u flop top 2 or are flipping with ak v pp is HUGE. i would be totally giving away tells if played live.

On October 18 2013 20:12 chris wrote: you misplayed the KK - i think you need to consider position and what each raise represents a little bit better. think of it like this - jans is raising utg, and even for the worst of players, that typically indicates a strong hand (or representing a strong hand). you raise him with KK, and that is completely appropriate, and you should expect jans to fold a good amount of the time, and for instances when you progress further in the hand, he is likely to call. a pretty simple range you can put jans on, for the $2 limits, would be something like 77-AA, AT+ KJs KQ JTs and occasionally some deviations and random hands, and this can be considered a pretty loose range for UTG, let alone considering the stack sizes and blinds. when you raise, you are representing a hand that can beat the range above, so really, you are repping hands like JJ QQ KK AA AK AQ, and JJ can be a flat call, as can QQ. when he raises you again, he is saying he can beat this range, so he is repping AA KK and sometimes AK you have the KK, which makes him having KK very hard, as well as AK, leaving, more often than not, AA. this is one of those instances where, unless you are playing someone on a higher level, and he realizes that you, too, are playing on a higher level, he is very rarely, if ever, bluffing, because the chips are going to get in with what each player has or is repping. also note, when he makes another small raise on top of your 3bet, thats a better indicator of strength instead of him pushing. pushing includes a chance that he is a little weaker than implied range because he is maximizing his fold equity, whereas with his little raise, you 'shouldn't ever fold.' and obv i really, really really hate folding KK and almost never have to you seem to be getting fairly deep in these pretty often, but you need to work on your late game

NO

what the heck

"a pretty simple range you can put jans on, for the $2 limits, would be something like 77-AA, AT+ KJs KQ JTs "

ur putting people on solid ranges in a $2 tournament?

do you realize $2 enables anybody and their mother to play this tournament?

this is completely backwards logic u should assume people are much MUCH worse on average at micro stakes

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He must be trolling FrinkX, it can't be serious. It just can't, i refuse to believe. That's how bad what he wrote is.
If he indeed turns out to be serious i dare not think what his other 5050 posts must be like and get the shivers.

Frink is right here.