balls of steel

i would 3bet to a smaller size so i can 5bet to a size that i can confortably fold to a shove.I would also have a 5bet call range. As played it seems that you are risking too much to find out if he is 4betting light .

i flat pre :|

On December 16 2013 23:00 Pb wrote: i would 3bet to a smaller size so i can 5bet to a size that i can confortably fold to a shove.I would also have a 5bet call range. As played it seems that you are risking too much to find out if he is 4betting light .

meh, I've found their 4bet size doesn't really change that much
I don't really ever do this (shove TJs), it was a hunch/timing/bet size thing (Would call it a spazz but was not tilted lol)

PS: and I think those regs who 3bet to 5-6.5bb should die

You don't have to treat 6bb 3bets differently from 9bb one's. They have usually same ranges. You get better odds on all your "mining" hands.

+ 4betting is cheaper. But some are 5betting most they 3bet.


If they 4bet wide it's a profit to 5bet them small with value hands, cuz they will have easy decision if you jam. On the same logic you can do so with your nonvalue hands.

I like flat calling pre.

Most players don't flat sb, oh you mean flat 4bet?

On December 16 2013 23:42 bigredhoss wrote: i flat pre :|

On December 16 2013 23:00 Pb wrote: i would 3bet to a smaller size so i can 5bet to a size that i can confortably fold to a shove.I would also have a 5bet call range. As played it seems that you are risking too much to find out if he is 4betting light .

wut? that 3bet is already on the smaller side. 5bet/folding comfortably? thats in itself contradictory and bad as you would always have equity to call ai after 5betting. your whole plan overall is bad

On December 17 2013 14:50 traxamillion wrote: Show nested quote + On December 16 2013 23:00 Pb wrote: i would 3bet to a smaller size so i can 5bet to a size that i can confortably fold to a shove.I would also have a 5bet call range. As played it seems that you are risking too much to find out if he is 4betting light . wut? that 3bet is already on the smaller side. 5bet/folding comfortably? thats in itself contradictory and bad as you would always have equity to call ai after 5betting. your whole plan overall is bad

Nah you can 5bet fold these days blinds v BU.
prolly not when he raise so huge OTB tho like villain did in the hand

On December 16 2013 23:00 Pb wrote: i would 3bet to a smaller size so i can 5bet to a size that i can confortably fold to a shove.I would also have a 5bet call range. As played it seems that you are risking too much to find out if he is 4betting light .

5 bet folding TJs 100bb effective is horrible.

you basically give yourself odds to call it off at that stack depth

you got like 30% ish equity against stuff like TT+,AJs+,AKo if your 5bet is <40bb you can still fold to shove

that's if you know he 4b a lot and is a nit vs 5bets and he minraise button and 4b small so sizes are smaller. vs someone 4b enough for 5b fold to be +ev we should expect some spazzes at NL50.
Then there's question if just shove 5bet aint better with your equity too so rly 5bet fold wont happen often dont rly need it at NL50.

Just saying that mathematically possible/not a mistake in theory.