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Handnr: 1026108
Submitted by : TianYuan

PokerStars Zoom Hand #109444690912: Omaha Pot Limit ($1/$2) - 2014/01/02 15:04:21 JST [2014/01/02 1:04:21 ET]
Table Diotima 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: SnapPlayez ($1091.88 in chips)
Seat 2: TianYuan ($611.80 in chips)
Seat 3: uberskilled ($257.97 in chips)
Seat 4: Sjonie ($246.70 in chips)
Seat 5: gamblIlIlIe? ($310.86 in chips)
Seat 6: Miltos14 ($1288.78 in chips)
TianYuan: posts small blind $1
uberskilled: posts big blind $2

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to TianYuan 7sKs6cKc
Sjonie: folds
gamblIlIlIe?: folds
Miltos14: folds
SnapPlayez: raises $4 to $6
TianYuan: raises $14 to $20
uberskilled: calls $18
SnapPlayez: raises $60 to $80
TianYuan: calls $60
uberskilled: calls $60

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $240.00)

   4cAcTc
TianYuan: bets $111
uberskilled: raises $66.97 to $177.97 and is all-in
SnapPlayez: folds
TianYuan: calls $66.97

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $595.94)

   4cAcTcJd

River (Pot : $595.94)

   4cAcTcJdJh

Showdown
TianYuan: shows 7sKs6cKc (a flush, Ace high)
uberskilled: shows Qc7hThJc (a full house, Jacks full of Tens)
uberskilled collected $593.14 from pot

Summary
Total pot $595.94 | Rake $2.80
Board  4cAcTcJdJh
Seat 1: SnapPlayez (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: TianYuan (small blind) showed 7sKs6cKc and lost with a flush, Ace high
Seat 3: uberskilled (big blind) showed Qc7hThJc and won ($593.14) with a full house, Jacks full of Tens
Seat 4: Sjonie folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 5: gamblIlIlIe? folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 6: Miltos14 folded before Flop (didnt bet)

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Ponytail   Mexico. Jan 02 2014 02:12. Posts 10

sick

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TianYuan    Korea (South). Jan 02 2014 02:23. Posts 6817

Im not sure how much I like my line ;/ I felt like the 4bettor was very very likely to check back because he seemed pretty tight, so I wanted to lead. But he doesnt really make a mistake when he calls this sizing, and it's hard for me to have bluffs (KKXX where X is a two pair is one of a very limited number of unsuited kings I have).

Actually I guess I have a fair amount of KQJT, KQJ9 that I forgot about. Still, pot is so big, if flop c-cs through I can big big turn river which seems more likely to get folds and also widens my likelihood of bluffing (if flop checks through Qc is a great bluff card, and I have more naked Qc than Kc I thiiiiiink, not 100% but intuitively I feel like there's more Q high wraps I 3bet than K hi, since KQJ9 and KQT9 actually play really poorly vs AA compared to other rundowns).

Hm.. Off-suite socks..Last edit: 02/01/2014 02:25

Joeingram1   United States. Jan 02 2014 07:36. Posts 943

I really would't be giving all opponents that much credit for actually thinking that in real time your range is weighted towards more Qc broadways than Kc broadways with the idea that Q hi's play better vs AA than K hi's. Your frequency for 3betting each is probably about the same and you are defending vs a 4bet 100 percent of the time with those same hands as well.

In real time while reading the hand I was thinking that this flop is always going to get checked back 300 deep by the 4bettor when he has position and if you lead here you are always getting called on at least one street. In a situation like this I think the opponent probably has AA like >90 of the time and sometimes has a flush to go along with it in which case he is probably calling 2 streets and sometimes 3. Your tendency to lead out as a bluff with a Kx or Qx blocker is also going to be smaller because of the BB in the hand with 80 bbs left which weights your range towards alot more value than bluff (i think you already know most of this). In this exact hand I think the best play is to lead bigger knowing that opponent is always calling 1 street and then decide on the turn if you want to bet a smaller size and getting close to actually giving him the right price to draw to his FH (also calling with smaller flush sometimes too/Qc blocker) or if you went 175 flop and 3xx all in on turn instead he might click call as well. I don't hate the 111 size if you are doing it with other hands but I dont think this is a spot where you even need to worry about being balanced.

I think the conclusion I have come to is that I like betting bigger here and when BB calls all in the BTN can never really fold and sometimes just call the turn jam too because the pot is so huge at that point and be sad when he loses to nut flush


TianYuan    Korea (South). Jan 02 2014 10:07. Posts 6817

That definitely sounds better than my line.

What do you think about checking flop and leading turn big enough that we can shove river? (assuming it checks through)

Hm.. Off-suite socks.. 

cnew27   United States. Jan 02 2014 18:43. Posts 76

ya if ur gonna bet small, bet so you can reraise if shortstack goes allin and bigstack calls

dislike flopcheck cuz ur giving a freecard so often

i like joeys line but prob wouldnt think of it in real time


Joeingram1   United States. Jan 03 2014 11:38. Posts 943

I don't think checking the flop here is that bad of an option either (we have the nuts, all options are going to be good ) and in some instances the BB will pot his 1010xx, flushes and I would expect the btn to always end up calling and then giving you a c/r all in spot where he needs about 33% to call and if he was a range pro he would figure out he just about that and now you end up getting all in for a 1400bb pot really really great. When he does check back the flop he might expect you to end up leading the turn with a bit wider range (not sure if this is actually true in practice with BB, BB gives this hand a much more interesting dynamic) and as I said before I always expect you to end up getting 1 street of value no matter what line you take when BB folds his hand

 Last edit: 03/01/2014 11:39

 

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