Epic spew by him? Yeah he had good equity against your exact hand, but against your range he is in an super ugly spot. But then again, the 4bet pre isn't necesarrily good(?)

i think 4b pre is fine vs some ppl. but i do prefer flatting more often and just check/potting a ton of flops

wow dude lol ...
I don't know where to start but you clearly have zero fundamentals in omaha.
I don't want to sound too harsh and I'm really bad at not acting like a giant douche :D

If you are trying to learn the game look for Daut's or keylek's comments they're pretty good and give solids detailed advices.

and yes 4 betting is fine deep + vs aggrotards

This is a pretty interesting hand, I'll try to give my opinions in as much detail as is necessary (which isn't too much). We don't have any information on villain so I'll just give my more general thoughts.

Preflop we're 230 bb deep effective and have position with really quite a good hand. My first instinct here is to just call the 3 bet pre, although in general I really am pretty indifferent between calling and 4 betting the hand plays really well either way, I personally would only 4 bet if my opponent is particularly tough or we have some kind of dynamic where I want to be putting more pressure than I normally do upon them, I'd also 4 bet double suited close to 100% as well I think but its pretty hard to have a double suited KQJT anyways.

Now, as played we need to think about our plan is on the flop and for future streets.

When we get a great flop like this we're obviously only scared of the flush draw. In theory if you full pot this here villains hand should be a turbo fold, it is his mistake that has won you a big pot here more than anything else by calling the flop with a terrible flush draw. What is your reason for full potting on the flop? I can't think of many good ones, its hard for him to semi-bluff raise as its obvious we're not folding and its impossible for him to float. Something smaller, 4-4.5 or so seems fine on the flop and then we can check back spade turns and just jam everything else. It's a subtle difference but its huge. When you pot you're saying "I'm def not folding here bro leggo"...With a smaller bet you give some rope for this opp to just c/jam flop on you with his flush draw here, which is terrible dont get me wrong but not everyone plays good. Also you may keep otehr hands in that you are a huge equity favourite against (ie hands that do not contain flush draws)

I hope this makes sense and helps.




As an aside Yomer we're IP here, I would agree with flatting oop too, in plo just because you have a beautiful hand doesnt mean you necessarily just want to keep smashing the pot button pre.

Also Napoloeno the only thing I would do the same as villain in this hand is call the 4 bet and open jam the turn, both situations a good player shouldnt get into by not 3 betting this hand oop and not calling this flop

I'm super bad and will refrain from further comments on plo hands. :D

On January 20 2014 18:14 waga wrote: wow dude lol ... I don't know where to start but you clearly have zero fundamentals in omaha. I don't want to sound too harsh and I'm really bad at not acting like a giant douche :D If you are trying to learn the game look for Daut's or keylek's comments they're pretty good and give solids detailed advices.

Non offence taken, i play this game for 20 days now (maby 20 hours) so i dont expect to know all fundamentals.

This hand i 4-bet because he was 3-betting a lot (with garbage hands imo) and i"m in position. For those reasons i wanted to build a pot.

Does this make sense?

On January 20 2014 21:11 KeyleK_uk wrote: This is a pretty interesting hand, I'll try to give my opinions in as much detail as is necessary (which isn't too much). We don't have any information on villain so I'll just give my more general thoughts. Preflop we're 230 bb deep effective and have position with really quite a good hand. My first instinct here is to just call the 3 bet pre, although in general I really am pretty indifferent between calling and 4 betting the hand plays really well either way, I personally would only 4 bet if my opponent is particularly tough or we have some kind of dynamic where I want to be putting more pressure than I normally do upon them, I'd also 4 bet double suited close to 100% as well I think but its pretty hard to have a double suited KQJT anyways. Now, as played we need to think about our plan is on the flop and for future streets. When we get a great flop like this we're obviously only scared of the flush draw. In theory if you full pot this here villains hand should be a turbo fold, it is his mistake that has won you a big pot here more than anything else by calling the flop with a terrible flush draw. What is your reason for full potting on the flop? I can't think of many good ones, its hard for him to semi-bluff raise as its obvious we're not folding and its impossible for him to float. Something smaller, 4-4.5 or so seems fine on the flop and then we can check back spade turns and just jam everything else. It's a subtle difference but its huge. When you pot you're saying "I'm def not folding here bro leggo"...With a smaller bet you give some rope for this opp to just c/jam flop on you with his flush draw here, which is terrible dont get me wrong but not everyone plays good. Also you may keep otehr hands in that you are a huge equity favourite against (ie hands that do not contain flush draws) I hope this makes sense and helps. As an aside Yomer we're IP here, I would agree with flatting oop too, in plo just because you have a beautiful hand doesnt mean you necessarily just want to keep smashing the pot button pre. Also Napoloeno the only thing I would do the same as villain in this hand is call the 4 bet and open jam the turn, both situations a good player shouldnt get into by not 3 betting this hand oop and not calling this flop

The reason was simply because he called in rr pots with shitty draws. Therefore i just want to charge him. Then again, if we play more pots in the future i can better bet 2/3 pot as my bluffs will be cheaper.

Good and insightfull post once again. Tnx

nah it was in reaction of napoleono comment lol
(and more about the other hand tbh)

@ Napoleone , don't refrain yourself to comment but don't post things like :
"wtf he was thinking , he was not"
or "epic spew"