K68r seems like a mandatory bet in a 3 bet pot oop. If he's checking, he better have a reason to. Game flow / Read dependent? Call or fold.

no it isn't at least from what I got from watching high stakes people check quite a bit on these boards.

Here we block KQ QQ some but we still have 99-TT (JJ) some KTs K9s, A9s some A9o combos if he 3b wide. It'll be close I wouldn't call 100% of my range here, XXdd can take the line some but Kx is a bad bluff card.

You need to look at both ranges closer to decide, this hand will be always close cause of the blockers

Pappe is Joep van den Bijgaart, most well known from this hand:


If you shove he probably folds bottom fh

In all seriousness the problem I think is that your hand pretty much looks exactly what it is after the turn and he's not supposed to bet complete air here but if you two are on a higher level this could easily be a call.

Sick spot, I'd rather just bet flop myself than x back here if I'm unsure of the guy tendencies which is usually the case, I think about it like if I 3b w your hand Q8 and then get this flop, would I check or cbet, and I'd most likely cbet to get hands w equity to fold and to potentiall turn my hand into bluff if need be.

Now I'm just lost but lean towards a fold.

calls large 3b with Q8s, flops 2nd pair, opponent doesnt bet all 3 streets and we are confused on a good runout. conclusion: dont call a 3bet that isnt tiny with Q8s when raising from cutoff or earlier.

i fold

@Daut, this is 2/4, not 1/2.

i realize that, he still 4x'ed our raise. if he made it 24-28 sure you have to call a bit more and get a better price, but 32 is enough to limit my calling range to like KTs QTs+ JTs T9s 98s and gets me to fold K9s- Q9s- J9s- T8s- etc

88+, ATs+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, 98s, AQo+ 114 combos(8.60%) 28% defend
88+, AQs-ATs, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, 98s, AJo+, KQo 134 combos (10.11) 33.5%
77+, AQs-A9s, A5s-A2s, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s, 54s, AJo+, KQo 13.27 (176) 44%

I assume minraise will be loose on CO so like 30% hands? 400 combos (30.17%)

Need to defend 32%+as we call a good amount he's gonna realize equity with bottom of his range - say around 44% ish defend should be more than enough? dem 45s-87s and A2s-A5s can be 4b (or can use 44-66 as you please).

Yeah so prolly not that much need to call Q8s unless we are aware of his postflop leaks in 3b pots/know his play well an or he 3b way too much - doesn't seem like it since we had to ask about this spot