this is probably 55 but I couldn't possibly fold here
edit
he is a reg right?
such a sick spot tbh I don't think anyone bluffs like this ever
results?

yeah hes a reg

looks like a good spot to c/r river ? (I'd usually bet though)

Edit: sucks we are deep

Wouldn't he raise TT/JJ on the flop?

why wouldn't 55 raise turn? or 3bet flop?

On February 28 2014 13:24 GoTuNk wrote: Wouldn't he raise TT/JJ on the flop?

yeah youd think, such a weird spot to bluff raise though.... although if he thinks he is only getting called by 55 and has a 5 blocker maybe he would. He snap shoved too

On February 28 2014 13:26 Trolala wrote: why wouldn't 55 raise turn? or 3bet flop?

I mean if you're gonna flat a set sometimes for balance or w/e it makes more sense if it's the bottom set. If he has JJ or 1010 and he flats he's losing value vs undersets if the board runs terrible.
In a lot of nitty deep games if you reraise 55 here and you get shoved on you are usually fucked ( but instead by calling you use deception and can raise good rivers)

Btw with this spot being a bit deep I don't think anyone would discard a lot of JJ/1010 from Jamie's range

if he snap shoves riv, I snap call this

i think folding is pretty bad, esp when ur line is v drawheavy and all the draws bricked out and u hit backdoor trips, ur implied range in his POV is wide and u smashed, folding = sin imo

c/r b b such a standard lne with tons of draws on this board bb vs button - what im sayin - then when it just bricks after he calls 2, i believe he can valueshove AJ/QQ++ and rejam QK Q9 over ur bet, and other draws etc...if he fights for pots i dont fold

I'm not folding as played, probably c/r river instead of bet/call though

On February 28 2014 15:24 GoldRush wrote: c/r b b such a standard lne with tons of draws on this board bb vs button - what im sayin - then when it just bricks after he calls 2, i believe he can valueshove AJ/QQ++ and rejam QK Q9 over ur bet, and other draws etc...if he fights for pots i dont fold

There is no way hes jamming worse for value... jamming AJ would be a bluff essentially

snap call, he is probably not giving you TT JJ in range, and all floped two pair got countered on this river

what about jamming AA though?

Everything im asking is not rhetorical in any way so pls answer:

Isn't this the best card for him to bluff? Isnt your range is very polarized here, probably 55, missed draws which brick hard on the river ? I'm guessing its the perfect line for him vs your range

don't get what the question is if you consider what your range is whatsoever oO

On February 28 2014 17:48 Spitfiree wrote: Everything im asking is not rhetorical in any way so pls answer: Isn't this the best card for him to bluff? Isnt your range is very polarized here, probably 55, missed draws which brick hard on the river ? I'm guessing its the perfect line for him vs your range

It is yes, but I was very concerned with his timing seeing as he insta shoved it would take a few seconds at least to process that river imo if he was going to bluff or value jam something thin like AA

im calling, dont think its that close.

On February 28 2014 19:08 MARSHALL28 wrote: im calling, dont think its that close.

Easy call imo

looks like J3dd,T3dd,53dd. but i call anyway cause he rarely has a set and he may check back Tx 5x as well

On February 28 2014 20:45 Daut wrote: looks like J3dd,T3dd,53dd. but i call anyway cause he rarely has a set and he may check back Tx 5x as well

I dont think he calls a flop raise with 53dd

On February 28 2014 19:08 MARSHALL28 wrote: im calling, dont think its that close.

On February 28 2014 19:08 MARSHALL28 wrote: im calling, dont think its that close.