should be a clear fold
His line us super strong you block diamond draws, rly doubt AK bets enough to make it a call when he bets into chopping AQ. I'd want to be rly tight here, and pretty sure AK is a better bluffcatcher and we still have 44 AJ (KJ?) + depends on how you play preflop a measly amount of AA KK combos

I'd be more interested to see what's the worst hand people call assuming hes a reg

I love how you give advice and talk the talk when you haven't even began to crawl LemOn.
Edit: calling turn is much closer than calling river.

On March 05 2014 14:05 cariadon wrote: I love how you give advice and talk the talk when you haven't even began to crawl LemOn. Edit: calling turn is much closer than calling river.

I spent a lot of time theory wise, all my posts will be theoretical without precise exploitive knowledge of exploitive population reads of the limits that I do not play.

I am a poker professional saying that I did not begin to crawl is like saying to a 5th league full-time pro soccer player he can't even pass the ball

i.e. your mother is a whore

also I didn't look at this spot in depth/I'm not doing that for other people much rly, need to get emotionally charged to summon the motivation to proper break down the ranges in detail and I only started looking at postflop (e.g. a hand vs a cunt reg that always owns me cause hes lucky) i'd love to hear your reasons behind disagreeing with me - just breakdown the ranges for us and prove me wrong. You are probably too lazy and busy being jealous to do that tho :/

I agree with lemon and I'm quite sure eluflop knows this is a bad river call. Since hero calls from MP he can have all the AA/KK/AK combos (if he doesn't 3bet them from MP, a common strategy vs UTG) aswell as JJ and KJ/AJ at least some of the time.

This river call requires a fenomal read I think.

We have a different understanding of the meaning of "professional".

Preflop: QJs is dominated. You can't play your hand comfortably for stacks given the relative weakness of your kicker when flopping a pair, nor getting paid enough when hitting trips. Not a very attractive spot preflop. People may talk GTO but the reality is, the dynamic is very standard for UTG UTG1 hands. Hands play themselves according to hand strength, and this does not favor QJs against UTG pfr. It is possible to play QJs profitably here but it takes a very good understanding of how often you can call light, make plays and get away with it. People who know this also most likely know river is an easy call. In summary: if you can't play the hand postflop, on any given flop, fold. Saves a lot of money and difficult spots where you are forced into guessing and playing big pots with a mediocre hand.

Flop: having decided to call preflop, flop call is the best and most profitable option.

Turn: This is interesting. UTG pfr who has lead flop and turn has a really narrow range, vast majority being his value range. QJs has diminishing value in this hand. On flop you can hope for a 3 player turn, or sometimes UTG checking turn. On turn our hand is much less valuable when UTG leads. Life just sucks at this point, calling is very optimistic. It would be stupid to bluff rivers when checked to because UTG looks and is really strong.

He has 9 hands that beat us and 9 hands we beat. 70 to win 144, don't even need to do the math to realise this is a profitable proposition. I'll break it down for you because you can not summon the motivation or have the wits to do it yourself.

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AsKs AsKh AsKc AhKs AhKc AhKh AcKc AcKh AcKd (How about being optimistic and throwing in a combination of stubborn 44?)

On March 05 2014 18:25 LemOn[5thF] wrote: also I didn't look at this spot in depth/I'm not doing that for other people much rly, need to get emotionally charged to summon the motivation to proper break down the ranges in detail and I only started looking at postflop (e.g. a hand vs a cunt reg that always owns me cause hes lucky) i'd love to hear your reasons behind disagreeing with me - just breakdown the ranges for us and prove me wrong. You are probably too lazy and busy being jealous to do that tho :/ I spent a lot of time theory wise, all my posts will be theoretical without precise exploitive knowledge of exploitive population reads of the limits that I do not play.

I played the stakes you play 7 years ago. You can't possibly assume i could be envious of your selfattributed poker skills. Ludicrous. I would have no problem telling a 5th league soccer "professional" that he ain't worth shit to get him off his high horse. Unlike you, i am not lazy, that's why i took 3 minutes of my time to do what you should be doing on a daily basis - breaking down hands. You come off as pulling theories and concepts out of a hat having never given thought to their truthfulness or learning boths sides of one specific scenario.

You are just rambling. As you said you couldn't summon the motivation to break down the ranges or take the time to look at this spot in depth. My question is: why the fuck do you post shit that can mistakenly be interprited as advice by someone who isn't aware of your newbieness? I suggest doing more of that learning thing and less of the commenting thing. You know, maybe it will get you to where you want to be faster.

You are attributing a players skill to luck, that is so wrong on so many levels. You are riddled with biases and it shows. My advice: drop the loser mentality. Nobody cares. The person putting on the hurt isn't gloating on some forum how he keeps owning this one guy who is incapable of adjusting.

No ill wishes though, i know you're trying to improve. Instead of giving advice you should be asking, asking guys who you know are good. Take the time to learn, it is the only way forward.
Your thoughts in similar situations will get discarded by good players because they often have more than one imperfection in them and isn't worth their time to correct you.

no hard feelings LemOn,

Fuck it, man, i'm in a giving mood.

If you want to take your game to the next level listen up. Players i played who were really good had a real talent for something. It was making you uncomfortable. The three main keywords are position, increasing volatility, unpredictability. These are key to taking the next step in your poker career. It can and should be applied, and reversely applied (meaning, from where you are at a positional disadvantage) in a multitude of occasions. Taking it further is up to you, if you don't get the idea, you won't be able to make use of it. You need to obtain, understand and believe and have the balls to execute in order for it to work.

Lets assume UTG raises and we have QJs and on a random flop we are headsup and UTG leads out. They would be more focused on the times they raise your UTG cbet from UTG1 position because they know you are polarized to very strong and weak. Size wouldn't matter in this spot because it is a matter of making you uncomfortable. One of the first players who i saw do it was TalentedTom way back in the day and it worked on me, that's when i realised i need to be doing what he is doing to players my type. Raising a cbet and being annoying in this spot with QJs is an easy tweak anyone can add to their game and isn't done enough. Understanding flop textures is vital, as to how many times you should bluf in a hand and when.

If i wasn't clear earlier 70/140 is 2:1 odds. Need to be right once every three times. 1x win 140, 2x lose 70. Breakeven spot right there. This you should be able to do on the fly when playing. Also turn is shit odds just because it is a 3way pot and the stacks are 100bbs. AK is not a better bluffcatcher because it takes out the majority of his AK range, which is bad. If you work hard you will be able to pick up these tells and similar with less and less effort until it becomes natural.