same villain as here:
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/1031117

also in hindsight flop plays better as a flat with the fish there 3 way innit my brain sees many outs stack off hurr durr

I expect a good amount of FE and can barrel when smn cbets so small tho (realized it's the same dude that played top set like this only after he rr)

I wouldnt c/r flop if im not stacking off there
Dunno @ river, fold s probably best althought ill almost always call just to find out im beat by something mega gay like 99

river looks like a fold to me brah.

def this ..also in hindsight flop plays better as a flat with the fish there 3 way innit my brain sees many outs stack off hurr durr

On March 14 2014 05:37 Spitfiree wrote: I wouldnt c/r flop if im not stacking off there Dunno @ river, fold s probably best althought ill almost always call just to find out im beat by something mega gay like 99

Why would you want to stack off with an 8high flushdraw and a gutter on the flop ?!?!

i can't see myself folding for halfpot on river after he checks turn.

I mean when someone cbets small on that board I assume his range is weakened so raising should be fine no?

And as in the last hand shoving is probably around breakeven while call with that re-raise size is pretty much guaranteed +ev no?

On March 14 2014 12:30 cariadon wrote: Show nested quote + On March 14 2014 05:37 Spitfiree wrote: I wouldnt c/r flop if im not stacking off there Dunno @ river, fold s probably best althought ill almost always call just to find out im beat by something mega gay like 99 Why would you want to stack off with an 8high flushdraw and a gutter on the flop ?!?!

joke?

On March 14 2014 12:30 cariadon wrote: Show nested quote + On March 14 2014 05:37 Spitfiree wrote: I wouldnt c/r flop if im not stacking off there Dunno @ river, fold s probably best althought ill almost always call just to find out im beat by something mega gay like 99 Why would you want to stack off with an 8high flushdraw and a gutter on the flop ?!?!

first of all I probably wouldnt c/r , 2nd if I c/r why wouldnt i stack off with that equity? -> ~35% vs set and you def have enough fold equity too

On March 14 2014 12:40 bigredhoss wrote: i can't see myself folding for halfpot on river after he checks turn.

Yeah I assumed he'd bet sets ott more often than not and has enough AXss to call
That hand is like wtf - I guess he remembered that he used the flop line with top set vs me before :D

Submitted by : LemOn[5thF]

***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** Poker Stars
$16.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, March 14, 05:23:35 ET 2014
Table Naema III Real Money
Seat 3 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 $14.28 USD - VPIP: 24, PFR: 17, 3B: 9, AF: 1.2, Hands: 589
Seat 2: Player2 $16.00 USD - VPIP: 21, PFR: 17, 3B: 6, AF: 2.7, Hands: 2347
Seat 3: Player3 $15.58 USD - VPIP: 36, PFR: 14, 3B: 3, AF: 4.0, Hands: 146
Seat 4: Player4 $16.19 USD - VPIP: 20, PFR: 14, 3B: 7, AF: 2.5, Hands: 4440
Seat 5: Hero $20.75 USD - VPIP: 23, PFR: 19, 3B: 7, AF: 3.4, Hands: 1536829
Seat 6: Player6 $20.20 USD - VPIP: 43, PFR: 17, 3B: 18, AF: 0.8, Hands: 23
Player4 posts small blind [$0.08 USD].
Hero posts big blind [$0.16 USD].

Holecards
Dealt to Hero [ ]
Player6 calls [$0.16 USD]
Player1 raises [$0.48 USD]
Player2 folds
Player3 folds
Player4 folds
Hero calls [$0.32 USD]
Player6 calls [$0.32 USD]

Flop (Pot : $1.52)

   
Hero checks
Player6 checks
Player1 bets [$0.64 USD]
Hero raises [$1.76 USD]
Player6 folds
Player1 raises [$3.20 USD]
Hero calls [$2.08 USD]

Turn (Pot : $8.56)

   
Hero checks
Player1 checks

River (Pot : $8.56)

   
Hero checks
Player1 bets [$4.32 USD]
Hero calls [$4.32 USD]
Player1 shows
Hero shows
Hero wins $17.04 USD from main pot

On March 14 2014 15:02 Spitfiree wrote: Show nested quote + On March 14 2014 12:30 cariadon wrote:   On March 14 2014 05:37 Spitfiree wrote: I wouldnt c/r flop if im not stacking off there Dunno @ river, fold s probably best althought ill almost always call just to find out im beat by something mega gay like 99 Why would you want to stack off with an 8high flushdraw and a gutter on the flop ?!?! first of all I probably wouldnt c/r , 2nd if I c/r why wouldnt i stack off with that equity? -> ~35% vs set and you def have enough fold equity too

Using pokertalk to make your analysis sound cool isn't cool at all. You can't check/raise to "give yourself odds". Its a broken concept. 35% allin for a pot that was originally 10bbs is pretty damn shitty. The pot odds are so sweet just to call. No need to bluff villain with a drawing hand. You get to draw very cheap and that's fine.

On March 14 2014 20:02 cariadon wrote: Show nested quote + On March 14 2014 15:02 Spitfiree wrote:   On March 14 2014 12:30 cariadon wrote:   On March 14 2014 05:37 Spitfiree wrote: I wouldnt c/r flop if im not stacking off there Dunno @ river, fold s probably best althought ill almost always call just to find out im beat by something mega gay like 99 Why would you want to stack off with an 8high flushdraw and a gutter on the flop ?!?! first of all I probably wouldnt c/r , 2nd if I c/r why wouldnt i stack off with that equity? -> ~35% vs set and you def have enough fold equity too Using pokertalk to make your analysis sound cool isn't cool at all. You can't check/raise to "give yourself odds". Its a broken concept. 35% allin for a pot that was originally 10bbs is pretty damn shitty. The pot odds are so sweet just to call. No need to bluff villain with a drawing hand. You get to draw very cheap and that's fine.

Shipping the flop with gutter+fd is perfectly fine and even desirable vs a thinking opponent/reg. It balances our range and gets villain to fold mediocre hands that have a ton of equity vs us. It also gets him to stack off light when we do have a set/straight/2pair.

Going allin with 8 high on the flop in this spot is bad. 35% against fuck all and you don't beat anything. I'm afraid you might have the wrong impression about this limit and the skill of players there. You are overreaching, overestimating your opponents skill and trying to do too much. The people who get it wrong are playing micros. Turn this into a legitimate discussion and see what the green star players have to say about it. Just because you know (and others don't) fd+gutter is 35% doesn't make it ok to splash around mindlessly. Calling flop is by far the superior play. It isn't even close.

Our opponent is 24/17/9, hardly a fish.

He rarely has a strong enough hand to where he feels comfortable stacking off on the flop against our raising range. Would you stack off on this flop when you hold AA against Lemon?

The fact that he shows up with KJ here makes me want to say that maybe lemon needs to think about how his play is affecting game flow. Maybe he needs to slow down and nit it up if people are playing back at him. I mean a lot of his hands are pretty fancy play for such a limit right?

So make a few raises/bluffs, then play tight the rest of the time and make bank?

On March 14 2014 22:45 goose58 wrote: Our opponent is 24/17/9, hardly a fish. He rarely has a strong enough hand to where he feels comfortable stacking off on the flop against our raising range. Would you stack off on this flop when you hold AA against Lemon?

Of course. Not just against LemOn.

Big_Rob_isback what you might be refering to is "switching gears" in the sense that playing very loosely and then extremely tight. I don't think this is a concept for 0.16 NL. It isn't as much playing back as inability to click fold - these are the players in your stakes and if you are struggling there is something wrong with your ABC or huge tilt issues. You just need to understand the fact that you need to have bluffs in your range, otherwise you are too tight and don't make money often enough when neither of you have anything. Bluffing just because wouldn't be terrible on paper but learning to bluff with the right kind of equity is something to aspire to. Your hand value is 8 high, wait until your outs get there and start pumping money in. Stacking off with 8 high on a 10bb flop is doing it wrong. Would you consider folding flop with AA for half a pot? That's how wrong this is. In reverse. Standard Fancy Play Syndrome.

On March 14 2014 22:45 goose58 wrote: Our opponent is 24/17/9, hardly a fish. He rarely has a strong enough hand to where he feels comfortable stacking off on the flop against our raising range. Would you stack off on this flop when you hold AA against Lemon?

Also, reading into players stats is so overdone people forget to think with their godgiven brain. Stop being a robot and open your eyes. He isn't sitting with 100bbs. It isn't even worth discussion what his stats are. When the stats become noteworthy you must be retarded not to having picked up the read from what has happened long before you have enough hands for any reasonable level of certainty. 600 hands, total unknown at 16nl.

This is hindsight biased but he fucking turned up with KJ nothing airball fuck all, how much skill do you fucking attribute to that? I've played 2 million hands at stakes much higher than this and believe you me, you only need to sit down and not be retarded in order to win at 16nl. If you can't wrap your head around that then poker is not for you.

For the record i consider everyone at these stakes a fish. You may be a fish with potential and eventually become someone who makes it big. But for now, just accept the fact that you are playing against fish and stop the advanced shit that is actually some attentionwhoring or justification deep in its core.

troll?

Having much trouble at micros?