How bad did I spew. Guy is 19/18/7 over 180 hands. We have a dynamic going. I was 3betting the fish on my right a lot, and he was 4bet squeezing. He likes to call 3bets really wide as well. I basically figured he had air/JJ/QQ.. wtf.

Equilab:

Board: 8d6d7s9h
Equity Win Tie
MP2 46.50% 39.93% 6.57% { 22+, A4s+, K9s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, A9o+, KTo+, QTo+ } ====> did it with 19% range
SB 53.50% 46.92% 6.57% { KhKs }

pot odds is 27.56 / 10.64 = 2.590225563909774 to 1

math seems to show that you are good to call.

yea id check an cry when he bets OTT 180 deep but prob still call and xf river..77 88 66 he raises flop , 99 i dont know but imo not, 55 happy to see turn too... TT prob doesnt 4bet JJ maybe not too that deep, QQ KK AA 4bets imo...

On March 18 2014 20:51 lhr0909 wrote: Equilab: Board: 8d6d7s9h Equity Win Tie MP2 46.50% 39.93% 6.57% { 22+, A4s+, K9s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, A9o+, KTo+, QTo+ } ====> did it with 19% range SB 53.50% 46.92% 6.57% { KhKs } pot odds is 27.56 / 10.64 = 2.590225563909774 to 1 math seems to show that you are good to call.

This range is wrong. He's not playing the turn like that with 100% of his range....

pretty bad. why would he flat QQ/JJ on flop and then shove it on this turn? if he was 4-betting you a lot, why wouldn't he 4-bet a hand like QQ/JJ? if he's flatting your 3-bets really wide, why would you limit his range to QQ/JJ or air? KK also happens to block a bunch of his possible broadway hands like KQ KJ which account for a bunch of the air hands you could hope for him to have (and it's not even that realistic to think he's doing this with air even with the spewiest of dynamics).

and yeah that equity calculation belongs in the rofl thread

Yea I realized this was bad, that's why I asked how hard I spewed lol

and yeah that equity calculation belongs in the rofl thread

pretty hard spew , if you know me from the tables i spew hard sometimes but this spew 180 deep is too hard even for me ...

Yea, I haven't spewed this hard in a while. But whatever

if he likes to call 3b wider and we are 180 deep def we can include some AT, JT, QT, KT suited in his calling range preflop ...

Pretty sure I was just trying to justify my bullshit with my comment

JTss QTss ATss KTss have backdoors and gutshot and clubs hearts dont , i am not good in those calculations , anyone pls do this for TURN ?

On March 18 2014 21:08 Trav94 wrote: Yea I realized this was bad, that's why I asked how hard I spewed lol

i was just answering the question "how bad did i spew"

On March 18 2014 21:20 bigredhoss wrote: Show nested quote + On March 18 2014 21:08 Trav94 wrote: Yea I realized this was bad, that's why I asked how hard I spewed lol i was just answering the question "how bad did i spew"

I appreciate it when better plays respond, thanks.

On March 18 2014 20:51 lhr0909 wrote: Equilab: Board: 8d6d7s9h Equity Win Tie MP2 46.50% 39.93% 6.57% { 22+, A4s+, K9s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, A9o+, KTo+, QTo+ } ====> did it with 19% range SB 53.50% 46.92% 6.57% { KhKs } pot odds is 27.56 / 10.64 = 2.590225563909774 to 1 math seems to show that you are good to call.

You really need to work on assigning correct ranges to villains. Not even is that range completely wrong by the turn when the moneys goes in, it is also inaccurate preflop. The hand is 3bet pre, so even if villain does raise that 19% range pre he isn't calling 100% of those hands vs a 3bet, and he isn't calling 100% of the hands he does call with on the flop, so his range varies a lot from original raise preflop, to calling a 3bet preflop, to his flop call. And you can't use the same range you originally gave him for every decision.

my brain melted from the last few days of hands

On March 18 2014 21:24 locoo wrote: Show nested quote + On March 18 2014 20:51 lhr0909 wrote: Equilab: Board: 8d6d7s9h Equity Win Tie MP2 46.50% 39.93% 6.57% { 22+, A4s+, K9s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, A9o+, KTo+, QTo+ } ====> did it with 19% range SB 53.50% 46.92% 6.57% { KhKs } pot odds is 27.56 / 10.64 = 2.590225563909774 to 1 math seems to show that you are good to call. You really need to work on assigning correct ranges to villains. Not even is that range completely wrong by the turn when the moneys goes in, it is also inaccurate preflop. The hand is 3bet pre, so even if villain does raise that 19% range pre he isn't calling 100% of those hands vs a 3bet, and he isn't calling 100% of the hands he does call with on the flop, so his range varies a lot from original raise preflop, to calling a 3bet preflop, to his flop call. And you can't use the same range you originally gave him for every decision.

ahh! gotcha! I didn't adjust based on the hand, only from the HUD stats. Thanks man! I will keep working on it. Just started using this to review some of my hands. Still got a lot to learn.

I like this website because if I keep commenting with wrong crap, eventually people will correct me lol.

So b/f turn seems best. On flop I lean to b/c? What are my best lines here

........brain almost completely melted

3b
cb
c/c
c/f in vacuum - c/c vs some , ur hands face up when u check call turn - your riv decision will be much easier.

gl

On March 18 2014 23:36 Daut wrote: ........brain almost completely melted

Fuck off Daut. If only everyone was as good as you. Trying my best here. Post something worthwile. Don't be a dick

On March 18 2014 23:39 GoldRush wrote: 3b cb c/c c/f in vacuum - c/c vs some , ur hands face up when u check call turn - your riv decision will be much easier. gl

Ty Neilly

you basically asked it in another hand, what worse hands call your bet and what better hands fold?

betting turn is nonsensical. should likely check every hand you have. 3b/cb are fine, c/c or c/f turn depending on opponent

Appreciate it. I guess I can see it in other peoples hands, but not my own.