unsure about turn
besides that I want to check there
guys a nit 50% vpip only pretty straightforward so far - vs someone good I might have 2 streets vs bluffs doubt vs 6max straighfowad guys that I have that so thought just about max value from Kx (qj)

ima look at my range later

id call pre sth like this

3b Axo Kxo and suited crap(edges of the range highlited) expect high fold to 3b


on turn

got fh+quads 2.6%
tripps 11.4%
pair 26.1%
A hi 20.7%
nothing 40% of the time

So against someone good I don't think I can have a raising range here really if I check call pairs+A highs? Makes me super vulnerable on the river - better to cc everything and have a cr bluff range+value range on river innit.

His size is so small I need to call some Qhigh as well or he autoprofits thoor I rly wanna bluff some.


Now against a tight player that won't follow up on the river...meh
I mean whatever. Can get away with crappy ranges and him checking back QJ Kx and some pairs he xed back on flop on river is a strong possibility

maybe even leading the turn altho super bad vs smn good might be optimal vs this dude?
I wouldn't mind that at all actually

Thinking too deep for this level imo. Unless he's a complete robot or you have him read 100%, people turn up with worse here often. Maybe AK or worse Tx jams, or random bluffs. I don't know if I'm folding here but maybe you know the games better. Either way, very disciplined!

He a nit HU
I mean I was minraising 100% he still has 50vpip
ppl like that are usually nitty. he snap shoved the river too I mean...
That was the thing I forgot after a month long dota break
ridiculous explo folds in spot when tight people hardly bluff are the way to beat these games

I'm leading turn without a strong reason to check e.g. he's betting extremely often and will tilt call a checkraise wide, potentially much larger depending on his competency/tiltfactor. As played your checkraise is small, go at least $2*.

Folding river as played. Not even worth second guessing if a 16nl nit is "getting creative". Might check/call river pretty often depending on gameflow/opponent.

Also, hows the rake playing 16nl hu vs nits? Not an opponent you should be playing if you should be playing HU at all on these stakes.

Meh I got like 2bb/100 hu there
like 30% of my normal winrate I guess.
still fish join more on these tables innit, increasing my ev 6max
vs nits I should breakeven at least hu when they are this tight.

guess I should stop playing those spewy but not retarded guys that actually play somewhat to decent stats theory wise at least. But...fun and I learn that way even against smn bad hu

On July 16 2014 14:24 ggplz wrote: I'm leading turn without a strong reason to check e.g. he's betting extremely often and will tilt call a checkraise wide, potentially much larger depending on his competency/tiltfactor. As played your checkraise is small, go at least $2*. Folding river as played. Not even worth second guessing if a 16nl nit is "getting creative". Might check/call river pretty often depending on gameflow/opponent. Also, hows the rake playing 16nl hu vs nits? Not an opponent you should be playing if you should be playing HU at all on these stakes.

+1

what's your reasoning for leading

If he really is a nit, at this point Kh hits his range, while he bets all his Kxes ( at least im guessing so ) he s checking behind all the semi bluffs which he s not folding, a lot of backdoors opened up on the turn. I don't see a reason to check another street vs a nit tbh, all you could do is potentially lose value. Plus if you c/r It kind of turns your hand face up... not that it matters on 16nl i guess.. i dont think i've seen more than 2-3 people that have decent hand reading abilities

The way he played the hand though, he probably has you beat on all streets Only thing that would actually make me take the timebank is that you said he instantly shoved river, I really don't like folding decent hands vs instant decisions except vs nits and something tells me you don't have a sample big enough to define him as a nit for sure

P.S. there s a big difference if he is a passive or an agressive nit, if passive i might even lead flop

just bet bet bet, no need to keep the pot small with a nice hand

On July 16 2014 16:06 LemOn[5thF] wrote: what's your reasoning for leading

1. You have a strong hand and money needs to go in somehow. That alone is such a significant factor at low stakes as you need to bet and not be trappy.
2. Lots of draws just opened up that you can get value from but also need to protect from. You can't let people check it back twice when that turn hits or you end up unhappily calling river bets/raises on Xh/A/Q/J/K rivers. Thats a lot of rivers, like 40% or something.
3. It allows him to make a larger raise and potentially stack off whereas a nit is purely calling turn checkraises there like 99% of the time with his value hands.
4. You rep a wide range, are less likely to have a K or a T thus more likely get called or raised wider especially HU
5. Image / difficulty showing down frustrating him