ummmm maybe just call river? villain seemed abc
I couldn't possibly see how I could be losing vs such a bet -_-

Well hindsight is 20/20, but when people raise this board they will oftentimes have a slow played ten among the other crap they can have, and that crap probably isn't calling a river raise on a K.

Actually, any time an opponent raises my bet I get a little scared, simply because most people don't bluff enough, and the ones that do typically over bluff and go broke.

So standard is to call/ note, but a raise is certainly viable if your opponent likes to bluff and likes to make big bluff catches

On October 11 2014 12:32 lebowski wrote: ummmm maybe just call river? villain seemed abc I couldn't possibly see how I could be losing vs such a bet -_-

ok for you personally what range does a player, that seems abc, minraise turn and call a raise OTR here and what's AA equity vs that range

^this seemed to me some sort of weird oop pot control move
pairs that want to see sd cheaply and that would talk themselves into calling because they bet river so small.
I said the guy seemed abc but this line is far from abc poker and I didn't know what to make of it.
my guess is most people wouldn't put a reg to 10x when he bets 4.5 into 22$ pot oop so maybe he is a genius and I got owned hard

these types of flops are good to bet small with your whole range

u don't really wanna play a huge pot unless u have a ten, cause worse hands (typically) aren't gonna call 3 big barrels

if he wanted a cheap showdown why did he c/r turn, he's abc but likely check raises turn with nothing? you keep ascribing characteristics to villain and then getting surprised he doesn't behave according to them. how would you have expected him to play a set or better?

any trips or better he is calling 100% right, like 30% of his 44~99 combos also own you. if we can believe your read that he's abc he often 3bets QQ from the SB. possibly some JJ makes a crying call. or broadway combos with Kc, KQc KJc. but again AKc should have been a 3bet pre?

when you say you think he'll talk himself into calling river raise with mid (p)air after c/c c/r and lead river, it's just wishful thinking. weak or not he took the betting lead in the later streets, can't just raise every river you get to with aces. guy is 200bb deep, if he has nothing, he already donated to you with it, if you raise it raises him out his line is nittily weak. you can't squeeze water from a rock.

if he really has mid pairs and goes to showdown with this line you are maybe 50/50~60/40? or if you don't believe he takes all his PPs to showdown you can be like 30%? so i don't see raise unless your soul read is reliable in which case this is just an outlier

On October 12 2014 07:22 Santafairy wrote: if he wanted a cheap showdown why did he c/r turn, he's abc but likely check raises turn with nothing? you keep ascribing characteristics to villain and then getting surprised he doesn't behave according to them. how would you have expected him to play a set or better? any trips or better he is calling 100% right, like 30% of his 44~99 combos also own you. if we can believe your read that he's abc he often 3bets QQ from the SB. possibly some JJ makes a crying call. or broadway combos with Kc, KQc KJc. but again AKc should have been a 3bet pre? when you say you think he'll talk himself into calling river raise with mid (p)air after c/c c/r and lead river, it's just wishful thinking. weak or not he took the betting lead in the later streets, can't just raise every river you get to with aces. guy is 200bb deep, if he has nothing, he already donated to you with it, if you raise it raises him out his line is nittily weak. you can't squeeze water from a rock. if he really has mid pairs and goes to showdown with this line you are maybe 50/50~60/40? or if you don't believe he takes all his PPs to showdown you can be like 30%? so i don't see raise unless your soul read is reliable in which case this is just an outlier

dude he is obviously not abc , I didn't know that at the time because his stats gave the wrong impression to me. With a set I'd expect him not to minraise the minimum like a fish usually does, then minbet river.
hindsight is 20/20
If I hadn't posted results your certainty would probably be watered down about his range. I agree I should have just called, but this isn't wishful thinking, this is me interpreting the situation the wrong way in the fast tempo zoom games. Wishful thinking is when you cold call a 3bet with tens and try to find a way to avoid getting one outered on a A109cc when the 3bettor open shoves. (why did you remove that hand btw?)
Do a range analysis for me on that one if you like because you seem to get how it works now

no dude idgaf what his range is he could have two jokers for all we care. what range is he calling you with? i asked this already

On October 11 2014 16:25 Santafairy wrote: Show nested quote + On October 11 2014 12:32 lebowski wrote: ummmm maybe just call river? villain seemed abc I couldn't possibly see how I could be losing vs such a bet -_- ok for you personally what range does a player, that seems abc, minraise turn and call a raise OTR here and what's AA equity vs that range

On October 12 2014 09:57 Santafairy wrote: no dude idgaf what his range is he could have two jokers for all we care. what range is he calling you with? i asked this already Show nested quote + On October 11 2014 16:25 Santafairy wrote:   On October 11 2014 12:32 lebowski wrote: ummmm maybe just call river? villain seemed abc I couldn't possibly see how I could be losing vs such a bet -_- ok for you personally what range does a player, that seems abc, minraise turn and call a raise OTR here and what's AA equity vs that range

fair enough, as I said my idea behind the raise was that this was a blockbet and people don't always fold when they blockbet so small
it was a mistake and I should probably play less tables