I feel like Im playing pretty badly tonight. How do I play this hand better?

Villain is a multi tabling regular and while a bit loose not a complete retard

Never check this flop. Super coordinated. You gotta make people w/ diamonds/kj/wtfever pay.

Bet like a champ. Lose like a champ.

On the flop I end up check calling. Feeling like bet folding suck but cant really call if Im raise. Turn and river I don't know.

You bet flop, Devon? You get it in if you're raised? If your called go broke on a blank turn?

kq pays you. aq pays you. kj pays you. qj pays you. The list goes on.

dot dot dot

What doesn't pay you is the check.

Bet your kickass hands like they're kickass, and fold the ones that aren't.

hahah, also easier said than done. But really. If you play abc, you'll get to nl50 on stars no problem. After that? Fuck if I know

wow. I edited this post to correct a spelling error. Love Canada

EDIT - sorry, didn't realise he's a multitabler. He's not paying you with tp solid kicker. Definitely makes life much harder huh. Still, look at that texture.. he has a set or he doesn't. People talk about polarized ranges (wtf??), but it's rough. What'd your gut tell you? It's usually right.

On October 18 2014 22:36 Narious wrote: You bet flop, Devon? You get it in if you're raised? If your called go broke on a blank turn?

Think about what beats you man. Think about what you beat. Get it in and rejoice

Maybe I'm underestimating the idiot factor of my competition here and need to value bet lighter. Thanks

I know you got slaughtered in this hand - that's why you posted it. No problem. You wouldn't have posted it if your pocko aces won (as we all think they should).

What you should think about more is how to get MORE money from the hands you don't post/get bad beated. We all get beats. It's how you maximize the others that you should be thinking about.

Cheers

btw - I'm not a poker guru. There's only a couple people on this site who are imo. I think they'd agree with me in this spot though.

I play poker much differently than the average bear, so take my advice for what it's worth.

Got slaughtered? He rivered a higher 2 pair...

Anyway I definitely agree you need to bet a significant amount, somewhere between 1/2-1x pot. You certainly can't fold to a normal raise, because there are many draws that could raise as a bluff, and even if they have a huge hand like QT you have ways to improve, either through the backdoor flush or through the board pairing. QT and set of 3's are probably the only hands that have you beat he could show up with, and you honestly aren't in THAT bad shape against QT; you actually have 30% equity on the flop against it (which most people assume they have way less than that I think). There are only 3 combos of sets of 3s, so I wouldn't be too concerned with those.

What I don't know is should you 3-bet flop if your c-bet is raised? If you just call, I think pretty much any turn is a check/call except maybe another queen... Diamond gives you a lot more equity against the already made hands, and of course a brick gives you a lot more equity against the draws. Maybe you should lead out the turn after your flop call? I'm not sure.

lol devon more liek drunkvon

i think the Ad makes this more of a bet than a check, though i have somewhat conflicting thoughts about it

one reason is that it allows us to continue when raised with slightly more equity vs all hands, esp vs diamond combodraws

blocking the AXd seems a bit irrelevant, since AXd probably won't raise multiway unless it's last to act. i guess that makes check/calling without Ad a bit better, since we won't get raised as often by a hand we're slightly crushing but have a hard time calling against

On October 18 2014 23:20 fira wrote: lol devon more liek drunkvon

.....

When and if I move from stars (totally doing it sometime), I think you just picked my username.

drunkvon. Or mediocrity. I'm just going to pee and twist around really fast until I fall on one board or another.

On October 18 2014 23:28 devon06atX wrote: Show nested quote + On October 18 2014 23:20 fira wrote: lol devon more liek drunkvon ..... When and if I move from stars (totally doing it sometime), I think you just picked my username. drunkvon. Or mediocrity. I'm just going to pee and twist around really fast until I fall on one board or another.

lol <3

about to down some vodka myself

I often see people say 'bet with this cuz I hold the nut flush card'.

Realistically, no one gives a flying fuck. Especially your opponents. People don't even utilize blockers in this game imo. Why would they? This is for holdem btw.

I posted a hand not long ago and someone said 'I bet the flop cuz I hold the the k of clubs' and I was thinking... wtf? Blew my mind

Meh. Maybe I'm a caveman.

edit - I actually think the guy said he calls w/ the king. That's a difference.

sometimes it makes a difference, sometimes it doesn't

like, i have conflicting thoughts about how holding the Ad here changes things, mostly cause it's 4way and blocking the AXd doesn't do a whole lot for us

a situation where it does help is like, if you're HU and you have Ad2x and deciding whether to c-bet on 369dd. i think having the Ad there helps a lot more than not having it, since we'll be expecting a lot of AXd hands to give us action (which we don't want). and obv the extra equity and playability when a diamond hits turn

edit - changed it to Ad2x from AdKx

Yes. Having the nut draw is good. I concur. I mean.. yeah. ak3b, flop monotone... hit top draw. Slamadam. So much dead money. And if they wanna play ball? jacks feeling frisky? We gotta eat that for breakfast. Every once in awhile a pair of 7's kick your ass though haha, always a shortie. Actually, some regs too. I don't like losing pots, but when that happens it's pretty 'meh'. Good for them.

hahaha man. This post took me much longer to write than I'd like to admit.

needs more betting

Shit. Wen't from a simple stack off... to a real discussion. Love it.

So many worse hands call, that I think you can't not bet flop. It's 4 way as well, a decent amount of turn cards you don't love. You can probably pot control turn sometimes depending on villain/cards? But I really hate checking flop.

Look at that dog. So beautiful. hahahaha

I'm glad I've never met any of you. I'd be more embarassed hahaha

Not betting flop is like lol wut