interesting

i like it

I hate it - 4betting KQo to 30bb in MP 300bb deep probably isn't going to print money in the first place and it's going to put you in so many shitty spots - you probably also have 0% fold equity preflop with that stack depth.
If you want to have 4b range in this spot just go for very small ammount of bluffs and if you are bluffing with KQo it is definitely too wide and doesnt block the hand you want to block the most.

this is one of our best hands that we can't call with though - possibly the best hand, and we block KK/QQ/AK, but you're right in that we don't block AA which is a somewhat big deal

when we 4bet here we are looking for fold equity, if we don't have any then we should not be 4betting this

since we have position, i'd expect some fold equity though? deeper stacks favor the IP player, but i suppose it also favors the guy with the wider range

edit: if you don't think you have fold equity, raise bigger. you should never be making raises that have no fold equity

Is it really ? There aren't really that many offsuit hands we are opening in MP in general (talking about 15-17% open). KQo is 12 combos so if you want to use them all as bluff I guess you are either 4betting too wide or it's not a strong gameplan. I guess if you want to 4b offsuit hands AJo or ATo if you open that works better but you have to really think about not being too wide. So what are we 4betting for value ? AA obviously, then KK, thats 12 combos. how do you want to have balanced 4betting strategy in this spot if you suggest 4betting hand like KQo ?

On November 02 2014 04:31 BlizzY wrote: I hate it

yeah i was thinking AJo or ATo may be better 4bet candidates. still, there is not a huge difference between 4betting KQo and 4betting AJo. the big thing is if we're 4betting all KQo/AJo/ATo then we're 4betting too much to be balanced, so we need to be more choosy, maybe do it with the 1-spade combos only.

a couple questions:

- given we're X amount of value combos, what number of bluff combos would constitute a balanced range? do we want 50% value hands, 50% bluffs? or should it be dependent on our sizing?
- you seem to have suggested a possible strategy with 0% 4bet, which is an interesting idea. would we be flatting with AA/KK, and basically all our playables, and folding our unplayables?

Yeah the more I look at it in depth, I think that Blizzy is right and that I was autopiloting.

This guy had an 11% 3bet over an ish decent sample, and I decided to use a range (for 100bb vs aggro regs) of ak(ss+offsuit) qq+ for my 4bet value hands, and kqo, ajo and a2-a5ss for my bluffs. However this weights me towards bluffs since thats 2.5% value and 3% buffs so i assuming I should have less bluffs for an 11% 3bettor? (not enough hands for reliable fold to 4bet)

However 300bb deep I have no fold equity as was suggested, as he could profitably flat almost his entire range here. Im fine-ish with y play 100bb deep (since he will jam or fold way more) , but 300bb deep he (looking at another nl10 reg) will not be 4betting kk,qq,jj etc since he does not want to 4bet fold pps. I should be folding here I believe, depending on fold to 4bet. This deep I could use aqo as a 4bet hand (y/n)?

Post flop I should be folding flop. vs his range I am dead. I called because I justified to myself I flopped top pair, I cant fold right? I think a possible hand here that he has is ak w/ no club since he seems to be playing it fast, or qq/jj. (though we have blocker to qq). anyhow I cant think of a single hand in his range which we are ahead of aside from some really weird oddballs (a10 w/ac)?

As for balancing ranges, I think im going to do the suggestions that fira mentioned, since its a good way to 4bet bluff less hands. and as for balancing my range(in his eyes so im not exploitable) im not going to balance yet, I understand the concept of balancing, and the maths behind it, but I believe I will never be exploited since its zoom (5000+ player pool at these stakes) and nobody has the time/ balls to exploit things such as capped ranges. I know its a bad habit, and if and when I move up I will be heavily addressing these leaks, but for now I think at the micros a balanced 5bet value range isn't needed. (Though if you guys can come up with good arguments I will happily change my mind)

Thanks for your help guys, Its so useful for a microstakes player to get feedback like this