nothing i woulda done differently

fold pf...

seems insane to fold pre

i would 3bet squeeze before folding

On November 09 2014 14:50 fira wrote: seems insane to fold pre i would 3bet squeeze before folding

do people fold vs your squeezes?
idk but it seems like nobody folds J10s etc

On November 09 2014 14:50 fira wrote: seems insane to fold pre i would 3bet squeeze before folding

you thinking pf call is profitable seems insane
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idk, i'd rather call here against a bigger stack

Eh its a clear fold pre. Guess there could be some arguments about sqzing, but calling is definitely the worst option

u guys are weird ~_~

such a good price considering flat caller and we have an sb invested

sb invested... oh no, we are commited!

makes a difference

i don't think preflop decisions like this matter a whole lot though, i just don't like folding yummy hands

it does matter coz you are burning money w/ shitty hand oop vs 3 ppl

how is 56s a shitty hand

u have 40% of four different straight flushes before the flop

C/r the turn simply because the river is gonna be ugly quite often and we want to win a stack here.

Squeezing preflop can be good too against certain opponents, and a flop c/r could work too.

Calling preflop is fine against two probable fish IMO

Imo,if one of the guys is a fish,its a good idea to call and much better than to squeeze,because of zero fold equity vs fishes.
Looking at the stack sizes of both villains its probably safe to assume that at least 1 of them is a fish.

Very tough to determine how good PF play is, but a look through my database shows 17 hands where I overcalled an UTG minraise with 23s-T9s (Pretty sure I have the lower ones with 0% frequency) from the SB and I've shown a result of -5.435bb/hand. Given that folding PF has a result of -0.5bb/hand, using this admittedly ridiculously small sample size I'd suggest it's a fold. I think you'd need to stack an absolute TON of aliases together to build up a database sample size large enough to determine how good a call here is, but I tend to think it's a preflop fold with 65s

Playing SC's OOP vs strong ranges sucks.

Though it is a minraise so meh.

Might call since they both are under 100bb and likely weak players. Usually don't like playing SC's oop though.

If Lemon was in the bb, is calling better then folding?

proly call... but its not THAT good like an average reg would suggest, these hands are overrated, you are still stucked with nutlow draw vs 2 players, something like 64s would be a fold imo.... anyways this is on your own judgement, simple check your own db to see if its worth