And this is how I run lol. It's boardering on insane how it seems they literally just hit pair + 8-out+ draw every time I play a 3-bet pot.

It's like I just repeatedly lose both sides of this scenario. I don't hold when I'm the AAxx and I don't hit when I'm the draw lol. Most frustrating is that like 60%+ of the time I basically just flop nothing at all. Or like bottom pair and nothing else. Yet whenever I have the AAxx or some other part of my range like AKQ10 they just magically are hitting a super strong draw or hand.

And I am seriously questioning whether I just have the worst luck in the universe in 3-bet and 4-bet flop results, or if something else is a miss with what I'm choosing for my range. All I know is it seems so frustrating to constantly be on the wrong side of 60/40 flop results and never seem to hold or get that situation in my favour myself lol. Like it must not be playing out like that, that can't possibly be correct, but whenI review my 3-bet and 4-bet pots Im just very clearly running like garbage lol.

You're a big bitch

Maybe get a life? I think your last blog was basically all whine?

I wish I was so special that the universe just decided to conspire against me

You whine every day man. Give me 1 time

Do you always play these hands? just seems pretty marginal calling 3bet even in position. I know nothing about PLO but maybe narrowing down some just to minimize variance? The hands you post have been pretty marginal since 50PLO. your 25PLO hands seems much better in terms of ranges.

On November 14 2014 21:36 lhr0909 wrote: Do you always play these hands? just seems pretty marginal calling 3bet even in position. I know nothing about PLO but maybe narrowing down some just to minimize variance? The hands you post have been pretty marginal since 50PLO. your 25PLO hands seems much better in terms of ranges.

Well I mean for one note that his raise is a min-raise. Generally I've played 3-bet pots very differently before. I'm trying to learn how to play these spots more "standardly" if you will and theoretically it makes sense. The players I'm calling all have 20%+ PF raise ranges and are usually 35%+ VPIP so I should be well ahead of their range.

The issue of course is that initiative + position is often not in my favour. And in PLO the edges PF are so marginal that realistically I'm just not good enough to overcome that advantage of position with my play OOP. I'm not good at it. It's my biggest weakness. So I'm facing it head on and trying to work it out.

Some if it feels like I'm just butchering hands and getting destroyed, some of it feels like it's just unfortunate. Like lets say I have AA78 single suited OOP and I'm 3-betting a cut-off raise from the big blind. I'll c-bet 50-75% on dry flop like Q26 or something and very often they'll flat and then continue on most non-filling turns as well as sometimes on turns like a 3 or 4 because it's just plain bad to be a pussy and let people bluff you off your AAxx all the time. The trouble is fairly often they either flopped 2-pair+ or made it on the turn. Then you're stuck making this big turn bet and getting shove-owned on the turn. Part of me thinks maybe I need to use more passive lines and check-raise more because then I'm taking the power they have against me (bluffing me off) and turning it back on them when I'm often ahead with AAxx at that point in the hand. The difficulty of that is that at PLO50 the rake is very high so you're basically ending up in 60/40 shove-fests where very frequently you won't know if you're the 60 or the 40 it's just a matter of how well they connected.

Theoretically they should be hitting "nothing" quite often on many flops like say 40%+ and I should be able to bluff them off with my c-bet but it doesn't always work out that way. So I'm battling internally with wondering when I review my hands thinking "Am I just 3-betting too wide?" - like it's weird because I often have nothing and am folding stuff like bottom pair but most villains on this limit will just continue with any piece - and in Omaha any piece is probably 75%+ of flops - but with AAxx you're just betting in the dark value-towning yourself when they hit hard, getting bluffed when the board is horrible, and getting really only a 60/40 edge on most flop shoves.

A lot of my thoughts about this topic are "how is this good" why is giving these guys low SPR and shallow stack spots intelligent when they can fairly accurately predict my range (high rundowns, AAxx, etc...) versus flatting and playing these hands out in other spots. The other big problem is that the pot is so big when we 3-bet in PLO that a c-bet of 75% on that flop is basically putting in 20% of your stack total for the hand. After that - it's difficult to have bad enough equity to actually fold to the raise. Hence, flip festival.

As I've said I'm a huge newb at this game and I'm still working it out. I understand why having LOW SPR in AAxx pots should be good for AAxx, but it's not always working out for me in my results. And it's so tough to try and think what it will look like at 1M hands because really in my 350K or so since I picked up this game again that's only 2-3k 3-bet pots which is nothing. Crazy things can happen in samples that small. It could just be my opponents are running unusually hot on their flops. Or it could be major leaks that need addressing. The hardest thing about PLO for many people I'm sure is figuring out when mathmatically you're doing something right even if those short-term results aren't great.

calling this 3bet is trivial not marginal; its a minraise. In case its still not obvious that means he cannot fold to the 3bet pre