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Handnr: 1045873
Submitted by : Bejamin1

PokerStars Hand #125424953539: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.25/$0.50 USD) - 2014/11/19 19:51:45 ET
Table Scheddi III 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 2: Bejamin1 ($50 in chips)
Seat 3: guur41k ($68.72 in chips)
Seat 4: luckboxx69 ($106.34 in chips)
Seat 6: MORTIIIIIIII ($138.70 in chips)
Bejamin1: posts small blind $0.25
guur41k: posts big blind $0.50
FedEx20000: sits out

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Bejamin1 5hAdAc2d
luckboxx69: folds
MORTIIIIIIII: raises $0.75 to $1.25
Bejamin1: calls $1
guur41k: raises $3.75 to $5
MORTIIIIIIII: folds
Bejamin1: raises $11.25 to $16.25
guur41k: calls $11.25

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $33.75)

   As8sQs
Bejamin1: checks
guur41k: bets $16.12
Bejamin1: raises $17.63 to $33.75 and is all-in
guur41k: calls $17.63

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $101.25)

   As8sQs3h

River (Pot : $101.25)

   As8sQs3hJh

Showdown
Bejamin1: shows 5hAdAc2d (three of a kind, Aces)
guur41k: shows 9s4c8cKs (a flush, Ace high)
guur41k collected $99.75 from pot

Summary
Total pot $101.25 | Rake $1.50
Board  As8sQs3hJh
Seat 2: Bejamin1 (small blind) showed 5hAdAc2d and lost with three of a kind, Aces
Seat 3: guur41k (big blind) showed 9s4c8cKs and won ($99.75) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 4: luckboxx69 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 6: MORTIIIIIIII (button) folded before Flop

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Bejamin1   Canada. Nov 19 2014 19:55. Posts 7042

I'll make you a deal guys, I'll stop posting 4-bet beats when I stop getting them lol. I'm literally down over a sample of 150 or so 4-bet hands now. Down. That should be literally the most profitable spot in all of PLO

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traxamillion   United States. Nov 19 2014 23:51. Posts 10468

I wouldn't be surprised if you have some sort of serious imbalance when you 4bet that is getting crushed


traxamillion   United States. Nov 19 2014 23:54. Posts 10468

Like if I was playing 6mx with you, I would just assume AA every 4bet and play accordingly exploitative poker


traxamillion   United States. Nov 20 2014 00:02. Posts 10468

Like im sure you've noticed anything people 3bet with they call vs ur 4bet looking to crack you. So Kinda like set hunting is good vs 3bets in holdem if the 3bettor is a huge nit; people can call any 4 to spike on you if you 4b AAxx only (not that anyone should really ever be folding pre in this game anyways that's not what I'm saying I'm just saying you are easy to play vs postflop). In certain positions you need to 4B good KKxx, big rundowns, occasional double suited double pairs, and even small rundowns.


traxamillion   United States. Nov 20 2014 00:03. Posts 10468

Allow them the chance to make bad assumptions, and bad folds


TianYuan    Korea (South). Nov 20 2014 00:20. Posts 6817


  On November 19 2014 22:54 traxamillion wrote:
Like if I was playing 6mx with you, I would just assume AA every 4bet and play accordingly exploitative poker


Good luck with that @ 100bb stacks. If you construct your range properly then you can do better by calling the 4b than you would by folding, but once you 4b at these stack sizes, AA can just blind shove 100% of boards and still do fine.

And you should actually fold quite a lot of hands to 4bets (and 3bets) in Omaha, it's a common misconception that you shouldn't.

I ran a bunch of regs stats once and the average fold to 4b was almost 20% IIRC, which is pretty reasonable I believe (it also lines up with (3b range)-(hands that do terribly vs 4bets)).

Hm.. Off-suite socks..Last edit: 20/11/2014 00:22

traxamillion   United States. Nov 20 2014 23:05. Posts 10468

yes folding to 4bets sometimes is standard; a lot of Axxx hands you might 3bet do terribly vs a 4. folding an open to a 3bet is obviously much more rare but in some cases appropriate. im making generalizations and being a little over the top above.

i think you might have misunderstood what i was saying in the quoted i am agreeing with you


TianYuan    Korea (South). Nov 21 2014 10:05. Posts 6817

You said people can call just to spike on AA, and that's just a really big losing play with a lot of hands (that many people even at much higher stakes than this still insist on calling, despite it 100% being -EV).

Hm.. Off-suite socks.. 

 

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