opponent 15/12/5.6 3bet

was pretty sure he had either AA or KK, possibly AKs although i saw him flat with AKo OOP. maybe this should be in my turn check back range?

10max? Table Come And Get Your Love?

Seat #9 is the button

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Seat 10: jack0059 ($3.51 in chips)

Hero: raises $0.04 to $0.06
jack0059: folds
ironworker: folds
Rigtard: raises $0.14 to $0.20

Malarkey!

lol it's on FullFlushPoker, not pokerstars. i'm using a hand converter thingy to turn my HHs into pokerstars format so its compatible with HEM

first session did not go well -.- AFK TILT

So you are pretty sure he has AA or KK yet you call with 73s...

cause we're like hella deep and i have position and a hand that can flop a straight flush ;p

rather have 73s than like, any other hand vs AA/KK?

On January 15 2015 19:48 Baalim wrote: So you are pretty sure he has AA or KK yet you call with 73s...

and then try to bluff him off his overpair


The point of setmining is that you expect to get paid when you hit, your postflop bluff contradicts your preflop call

i figured he'd never have any 9x, boats, or hearts so the board massively favored me.

why does my bluff contradict my call? i dont get what that means

oh so you mean like, i'm calling pre and expecting to get paid when i hit, so i shouldn't expect him to fold much on most boards, so i shouldn't be bluffing much. but that leads to very nitty and unbalanced play by me. i also become exploitable if villain starts folding his AA in spots like this.

i mean, i'm gonna have 95s, 96s, 97s, 98s, 9Ts, 9Js, 9Qs, 9Ks, 9As, pretty much all heart combos i decided to raise pre. all those hands would play exactly like this. so i need some bluffs. this seemed to be a hand i could bluff with. pretty much all my 3x combos i thought i'd use as bluffs. i'm not gonna play 75c this way (or at least i'd hope)

i don't think the board is as good for you as you think, a similar but better runout for this line might be like 39TT2

i agree to check turn. you are often just folding out AK AQ type hands which you are ahead of already if he even has those like you said he flats pre oop. you could get some value from like AK with 1 heart but meanwhile the problem is if he calls this turn with overpair i doubt he often folds river at that price. so your turn bet seems bleeding. to bluff here would be check turn and shove over him on river depending on his river bet and tendencies.

whereas if he checks turn, you check behind, and if he also checks river:
1) with AK/AQ - congratulations this is why you can call flop and don't necessarily have to bet
2) with AA/KK/QQ - congratulations he is retardedly weak and you don't need bluffs like this vs him just wait until you hit

you had his range pegged but not his play. don't know how to explain exactly but he's 15/12/5 he's not usually laying down his premium pair just because he let you take a line that says "trust me i had it the whole time"

ofc i am probably retarded but whatever

fira you are beyond retarded

On January 16 2015 00:49 Santafairy wrote: i don't think the board is as good for you as you think, a similar but better runout for this line might be like 39TT2 i agree to check turn. you are often just folding out AK AQ type hands which you are ahead of already if he even has those like you said he flats pre oop. you could get some value from like AK with 1 heart but meanwhile the problem is if he calls this turn with overpair i doubt he often folds river at that price. so your turn bet seems bleeding. to bluff here would be check turn and shove over him on river depending on his river bet and tendencies. whereas if he checks turn, you check behind, and if he also checks river: 1) with AK/AQ - congratulations this is why you can call flop and don't necessarily have to bet 2) with AA/KK/QQ - congratulations he is retardedly weak and you don't need bluffs like this vs him just wait until you hit you had his range pegged but not his play. don't know how to explain exactly but he's 15/12/5 he's not usually laying down his premium pair just because he let you take a line that says "trust me i had it the whole time" ofc i am probably retarded but whatever

why would 39TT2 be better than 399T8? more straight possibilities on 399T8 (that he can't have, that i can)

i think check turn is ok in a vacuum but i do need a betting range. i'm gonna have all those 9x and flush hands that all want to bet. i think checking back and bluffing heart rivers is a good option with this hand tho, i'm gonna have a lot of stuff like 66h that i'll check back.

On January 16 2015 02:45 voodoouser wrote: fira you are beyond retarded

i will take that as a compliment?

On January 15 2015 20:36 fira wrote: i figured he'd never have any 9x, boats, or hearts so the board massively favored me. why does my bluff contradict my call? i dont get what that means oh so you mean like, i'm calling pre and expecting to get paid when i hit, so i shouldn't expect him to fold much on most boards, so i shouldn't be bluffing much. but that leads to very nitty and unbalanced play by me. i also become exploitable if villain starts folding his AA in spots like this. i mean, i'm gonna have 95s, 96s, 97s, 98s, 9Ts, 9Js, 9Qs, 9Ks, 9As, pretty much all heart combos i decided to raise pre. all those hands would play exactly like this. so i need some bluffs. this seemed to be a hand i could bluff with. pretty much all my 3x combos i thought i'd use as bluffs. i'm not gonna play 75c this way (or at least i'd hope)

it is exploitable if he starts folding AA + if he starts bluffing w/ air in these spots(both of which he prob rarley does, he is after all a nit, and nits gonna nit)

yeah, i could have played more exploitatively. interestingly, some hands after this he became 28/20 and even 3bet K7o in CO vs EP. i dont like the play but it shows he's capable of some moves

i still dont hate my play for balance though, the only other bluffs i can think of are diamond-diamond hands that hit a straight draw on turn, (i think i'd prob float QJd on flop, though i'm not sure)

On January 16 2015 08:46 fira wrote: Show nested quote + On January 16 2015 00:49 Santafairy wrote: i don't think the board is as good for you as you think, a similar but better runout for this line might be like 39TT2 i agree to check turn. you are often just folding out AK AQ type hands which you are ahead of already if he even has those like you said he flats pre oop. you could get some value from like AK with 1 heart but meanwhile the problem is if he calls this turn with overpair i doubt he often folds river at that price. so your turn bet seems bleeding. to bluff here would be check turn and shove over him on river depending on his river bet and tendencies. whereas if he checks turn, you check behind, and if he also checks river: 1) with AK/AQ - congratulations this is why you can call flop and don't necessarily have to bet 2) with AA/KK/QQ - congratulations he is retardedly weak and you don't need bluffs like this vs him just wait until you hit you had his range pegged but not his play. don't know how to explain exactly but he's 15/12/5 he's not usually laying down his premium pair just because he let you take a line that says "trust me i had it the whole time" ofc i am probably retarded but whatever why would 39TT2 be better than 399T8? more straight possibilities on 399T8 (that he can't have, that i can)

39TT2 at least gives the opponent retardnit a clear reason to think he got sucked out on on turn

it is weird you get to river saying yeah I have A9~95 trips any hand with 9 in it plus straight possibilities and all my heart flushes and boats and oh i also need bluffs here what are you trying to rep

what do you mean? my bluffs are trying to rep my value hands and my value hands are trying to rep my bluffs

at what point do you consider your range balanced here, when you have enough bluffs in your range that he is calling that this spot is breakeven for you?

i'd be balanced if he is indifferent to calling or folding

okay gl with that