Im apparently not a trustworthy individual

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would reducing river sizing help? like $44, we might be thin valuing lower flushes. chance of him folding a flush goes down though

Bettin turn doesnt seem v profitable imo

On January 16 2015 08:52 fira wrote: >.< would reducing river sizing help? like $44, we might be thin valuing lower flushes. chance of him folding a flush goes down though

Hmmm. Maybe. I don't have super high expectations of flushes folding anyway (even though our blocker is really good here since it removes 1 hand that never folds and we can be semi-confident he doesnt have Acc already). I mostly wanted to fold out JT, accidental 1 card straights, Q9, 99,55 that type of hand so probably betting smaller would be good just because those hands can't (shouldnt be able to!!!) call anyway and we dont expect flushes to fold.

On January 16 2015 09:32 Jamie217 wrote: Bettin turn doesnt seem v profitable imo

Why? Our hand is fairly low down our range on this turn... JT, 67, Q9, 99, 55 are all in his range and should have a hard time calling twice + we have some equity and a good blocker (after he just calls turn this blocker is a little worse than the Kc blocker maybe but better than the Ac blocker probably since it removes one of the hands he's never folding and him not raising turn has partly removed Acc).

And yeah we obviously need to bet/bet, can't just bet once. Given how much most people (myself included) barrels off with blockers his call might be OK (doubt strongly that it's theoretically correct, especially without any clubs) but I think the people that actually do call down JT or 99 here are pretty rare.

On January 16 2015 09:33 TianYuan wrote: [QUOTE]On January 16 2015 08:52 fira wrote: And yeah we obviously need to bet/bet, can't just bet once. Given how much most people (myself included) barrels off with blockers his call might be OK (doubt strongly that it's theoretically correct, especially without any clubs) but I think the people that actually do call down JT or 99 here are pretty rare.

For this reason mostly and it is just hard to discern where he is in his range if that makes sense

I don't think you should expect straights and top set to fold but low flushes to call when I feel like the reason he calls in the first place is he feels you are so polarized, especially with the straight flush out there and the complications that adds.

Maybe lowering the river sizing as suggested earlier would be a good idea if it widens your perceived range. There are problems with that too though. Small sizing makes it easier for villain to call, better absolute odds. Can't bluff as much which is a problem because our value range is already so small. We want to be closer to potting it for value not half pot and we can't split our range to where we bluff halfpot and vbet full pot without being exploited.

You might just be bluffing too much in this spot if you are going pot pot with two pair and the Qc blocker as a bluff on the turn/river. If you tighten up that bluffing range his calldown automatically becomes worse. You should probably check turn with this hand and get it to the river cheaply; potentially boat up, check it down, or bluff there.

Being called by a non-flush in this spot is soooooooo rare in my experience at 1/2... It's obviously exploitable/exploitative (JT or QQ without clubs has like 36-38%equity on this river if I bluff all my non boat or straight Kc,Ac,Qc blockers) but in my experience I very rarely get called by worse than a flush when I bluff in these spots.