fuuuuuck

400bb deep, what do i do? 4bet bigger?

i would bet smaller on flop and turn. these types of boards favor villain's range, since we can never really have 9x or 22. also these boards are so dry that a $2.6 bet accomplishes the same thing as a $4.97 bet versus a hand like T8s

NH wp. if he's flatting you with shit like J9o then we are going to be getting it in on almost 100% of boards after that 4b. we will be producing massive profits. I like pf sizing. and any sizing to get it bet/bet/shove over 3 streets is prob good.

definitely 4bet bigger this deep.
maybe check call,check call on turn/river this deep,if villain is aggro to let him float his air hands/low ppairs.
I like flop bet size on this board.

turn is close

river is a extremley easy fold, J/T runout is the nut worst runout

On February 01 2015 21:48 fira wrote: i would bet smaller on flop and turn. these types of boards favor villain's range, since we can never really have 9x or 22. also these boards are so dry that a $2.6 bet accomplishes the same thing as a $4.97 bet versus a hand like T8s

bigger bet wins more from bigger hands

def not the same thing

On February 02 2015 15:12 TalentedTom wrote: Show nested quote + On February 01 2015 21:48 fira wrote: i would bet smaller on flop and turn. these types of boards favor villain's range, since we can never really have 9x or 22. also these boards are so dry that a $2.6 bet accomplishes the same thing as a $4.97 bet versus a hand like T8s bigger bet wins more from bigger hands def not the same thing

the biggest hands are all held by villains range. i dont see any reason to bet big on such a dry board when our range is overpairs and AK and his is random 2 cards?

I would bet big to get value from my AA which is supposed to be a nut hand in a 4bet pot, at least with 100bb stacks. The fact that he flatted me with a random drawing hand as bad as J9s makes me think my 4bet to stack ratio was too small and I should be 4betting bigger. If I made it something like $14 though, the 4bet to 3bet ratio is way too big, and hes unlikely to continue with anything other than AA himself. Although, if that is true then I could just bluff to 14$ with random hands...but it would need to work 90%+ of the time to be profitable, which seems unlikely in the long run (I think more than 10% of his or any typical UTG 3betting range is AA or some other hand he wants to continue with).

I want to get action from hands like KK/QQ/AK etc but it seems like I would scare them off with such a large 4bet. Alternatively if I 4bet like I did im giving him odds to call with random shit, so thats not too good. Im finding it hard to think of a situation in which id want to put in 400bb with AA without a 5bet or 6bet preflop. If villain is willing to also put in 400bb he must have a hand better than me right?

It's fine guy just binked his trips. Yea I would bet flop smaller but that is debatable and you should just consider folding turn/riv.

On February 02 2015 16:10 fira wrote: Show nested quote + On February 02 2015 15:12 TalentedTom wrote:   On February 01 2015 21:48 fira wrote: i would bet smaller on flop and turn. these types of boards favor villain's range, since we can never really have 9x or 22. also these boards are so dry that a $2.6 bet accomplishes the same thing as a $4.97 bet versus a hand like T8s bigger bet wins more from bigger hands def not the same thing the biggest hands are all held by villains range. i dont see any reason to bet big on such a dry board when our range is overpairs and AK and his is random 2 cards?

if you bet 50% pot on every street, you end up with 50% of stacks in at the end of the hand. In fact, unless you deviate greatly on the turn (80% pot or higher) its impossble to stack villian with 3 bets. His current flop bet size will stack JJ-KK by the river (assuming villian cant fold those hands)

On February 03 2015 21:36 TalentedTom wrote: Show nested quote + On February 02 2015 16:10 fira wrote:   On February 02 2015 15:12 TalentedTom wrote:   On February 01 2015 21:48 fira wrote: i would bet smaller on flop and turn. these types of boards favor villain's range, since we can never really have 9x or 22. also these boards are so dry that a $2.6 bet accomplishes the same thing as a $4.97 bet versus a hand like T8s bigger bet wins more from bigger hands def not the same thing the biggest hands are all held by villains range. i dont see any reason to bet big on such a dry board when our range is overpairs and AK and his is random 2 cards? if you bet 50% pot on every street, you end up with 50% of stacks in at the end of the hand. In fact, unless you deviate greatly on the turn (80% pot or higher) its impossble to stack villian with 3 bets. His current flop bet size will stack JJ-KK by the river (assuming villian cant fold those hands)

this is true, but betting large makes it easy for other hands in his range that aren't JJ-KK. since there are no draws at all, a huge amount of hands in his range have close to zero equity against a strong hand like AA, and we'd be forcing all those hands out by betting large. we really want to play against a hand like QJ or A5s, which kinda has to call 1/3 but easily folds to 2/3. a bit of a way ahead/way behind situation imo

also, we become a lot more stackable by better hands when we bet large, which may be significant 400bb deep; like in this case, if villain had flatted turn, we would probably shove river, which is fine/standard, but villain will have 9x+ which he is never folding, and he'll also have weaker pairs which he may fold some of the time. it may not be the most profitable situation.

i think it also kinda depends on how villain will react to a large bet. a large bet on this board would be exploitatively effective against a player who is calling too often postflop with weak holdings.