Dongers turn sizing seems pretty weird? In the pots i railed he usually size bigger on turn, flop is normal i guess. Cool riverplay!

paired board sizes are usually 45-50%

theres also flush draw, straight draw, and lots of random gutters by turn, i do think the turn size is a bit small though that may be because of the made straight possibility?

not sure if I got this right but: you should have a smaller size if you have lots of thin valuebets in your range, that said your size should be smaller most of the time in paired board because they are dryer and you want to have a high betting frequency ( and thinner consequently ) because thats the best way to put villains range in a tough spot ( he will have to call with lots of air )

not exactly the case on this turn since the turn connects a lot, but I think the turn size is because DK still wants to thin valuebet lots of pairs, and given how wide TC's calling range is on the flop, he doesnt think the turn connects with a huge part of tc's range ( he will have lots of overcards )

if TC's range was smaller to be calling the flop ( the gutters + pairs + some overcards with backdoors and no naked overcards ) then might not be a good a idea to be betting this size ( or with thin valuebets )

btw its important to not have multiple betsizes as people would think 2+ years ago:

"you have trips and you need to protect your hand against all the draws"

you should have consistent betsizes and all have your ranges protected and uncapped

is donger trying to bluff off non full house hands on river??

yes obviously bluffing, I dont think its a good plan being only 160bb deep tho
also TC has all the full houses with the exception of 99, so donger isnt really on a range advantage

but who am I to criticize his play

On February 17 2015 12:54 drone666 wrote: yes obviously bluffing, I dont think its a good plan being only 160bb deep tho also TC has all the full houses with the exception of 99, so donger isnt really on a range advantage but who am I to criticize his play

Yeah I dont really like it either, idk if TC is even going to fold a straight anyways

On February 17 2015 12:39 drone666 wrote: btw its important to not have multiple betsizes as people would think 2+ years ago: "you have trips and you need to protect your hand against all the draws" you should have consistent betsizes and all have your ranges protected and uncapped

i agree, but it seems a lot of people think differently. i remember phil galfond mentioned in a video of his that having multiple betsizes will make it more difficult for your opponent to play against, because he won't be able to predict what sizing you'll throw so you are less predictable

my opinion is that it makes our range more difficult to play as well... though if we could construct balanced uncapped ranges with all of our sizings, maybe it can be good?

In a GTO line one street will be dependent on another so for the most part i imagine spots to have one certain betsize at a certain frequency.

however there may be spots with cooptimal strategies or even spots where it is optimal to bet different sizes with different parts of your range.

for example a flop bet

Maybe on certain flops with 60% of your range you are supposed to size for a turn jam and with 40% you are supposed to size for a river jam. Well then then with 40% of your flop betting range you will be betting smaller than with the remainder in order to size for three streets. I can't show an example of a spot like this necessarily off the top of my head but i can reasonably postulate its existence.

its already extremely hard to have 1 bet size with well balanced ranges

I do have multiple betsizes in some spots but its usually when villains range is capped and/or my range has a massive advantage

and practically i have all kinds of diff sizings in a given spot because i play against a lot of fish and go for max value