awesome line

Im not really happy in posting hands that didnt go to showdown because theres some people lurking my hh here lol
but ill post some cool ones

The idea behind the turn and river bets are fine but they are on the small side for my taste

On February 18 2015 19:57 LikeASet wrote: The idea behind the turn and river bets are fine but they are on the small side for my taste

if you think they are on the small side then you dont get the idea behind them. turn helps drone's range more than opponents, hes betting 25% pot here which says his range is a bit stronger with more value than expected and less T8/J8/JT/hearts. river improves drone's range even more since now JT and hearts got there so he can once again bets small because bluffs make up a very small % of his range. villain likely misinterprets it as him betting weakly for value, but also good card for villain to turn anything worse than a Q into a bluff (JJ,TT,Ah4x,etc).

On February 18 2015 20:21 Daut wrote: Show nested quote + On February 18 2015 19:57 LikeASet wrote: The idea behind the turn and river bets are fine but they are on the small side for my taste if you think they are on the small side then you dont get the idea behind them. turn helps drone's range more than opponents, hes betting 25% pot here which says his range is a bit stronger with more value than expected and less T8/J8/JT/hearts. river improves drone's range even more since now JT and hearts got there so he can once again bets small because bluffs make up a very small % of his range. villain likely misinterprets it as him betting weakly for value, but also good card for villain to turn anything worse than a Q into a bluff (JJ,TT,Ah4x,etc).

I did get the idea...you're making an incorrect assumption here. My issue here is that the bet is so small on the turn, Hero can't look like he is bluffing, has Qx or 2 pair type hands here on the turn betting so small it looks suspicious, imo bet anywhere 30-40 maybe 50% depends on match, try to not look like you don't completely care about villain's range of straight draws and flush draws here. I'm not saying it would be certainly right but in this situation I'd bet 30-40% pot then 30-40% pot again, It's obvious that the turn helps hero's range here more often than villains and that hero want's to induce or make villain make bad calls drawing dead, it's about being able to represent a wider range with certain bet size. If hero has been value betting or bluffing on the smaller side the whole match then this is less relevant, I'm assuming this is a typical match with 60-90% pot bets, 3-4x ish check raises, etc.

i kinda agree with leading larger on this board texture. it's indeed tough for us to have air with this sizing, since we're almost guaranteed to get called. then on rivers we are sort of forced to bet our air, which may often be looked up by just ace high depending on our sizing

if it was like Q737r i would like this sizing, since it'll put pressure on a lot more hands villain can have (89s for example would have tough decision) but on this board he just has so many gutters and flush draws that he's gonna be calling super often and so we have almost no fold equity when we bet 1/4

I don't understand turn play. Seems like we would run into all sorts of balancing issues?

On February 20 2015 17:33 n0rthf4ce wrote: I don't understand turn play. Seems like we would run into all sorts of balancing issues?

sauce did it in a video and everyone jumped aboard. just like limping the sb.

not sure if was sauce, I think who started this trend was krab42 but people are much more aware lately about donk betting turns and rivers that are better for BB range ( and SB has a really low betting frequency on those turns )

but its not like players are just mimicking thing without knowing what they are doing, whenever you face a player and he does soemthing you think its good, you start implementing into your game