I rarely use chat, and frankly I'm going to assume he didn't even notice as he's playing max number of tables always. Probably just called because he made the river straight. Still, I found the outcome kinda amusing .

Do you ever raise flop/ ship most turns?

Yeah I was wondering if calling flop and turn might be a mistake. I would think alot of diamonds would kill your action although it worked this time, but who knows I'm a PLO noob.

If he has AAxx with blockers of any kind I'd be toast, so no not really. I don't check/raise a lot on the flop in general so I don't particularly want to give away my hands strength by strong-arming the flop. All that would really accomplish is getting his strongest part of his range to go all-in and to fold out the weaker parts like what he turned up with here. We're also deep enough that I can get value after I connect at least a semi-decent portion of the time depending on what part of my draw hits. Don't know how often I'd have the balls to turn it into a bluff on the riv tho

This guy has like a 4% 3-bet btw so probably 95% of his range or more is AAxx and high rundowns.

If villain has none of your outs just AA top set you are actually a slight favorite on the flop.

If he has AA910dd you drop to 35% so I see what you are saying. Raise is still clearly +ev but I can see why you prefer call if you peg his range at 95% AA.

if he is a decent player 3betting a normal range on the button he should be quite a bit wider than AAxx. When you call and hit your hand a lot of your outs should kill your action but at the same time (and I would like it more with nut flushdraw) sometimes a draw that would have folded to a flop raise now hits and is dominated so you get more value with the call/call line.

Your hand is an absolute monster though and you can't go too wrong either way. 3bet pot deep and you have nut wrap with FD. I like to raise and barrel this unless I have absolutely no raising range here because I am playing a super nit or something. If u play it aggressively you also get paid more often by worse when you hit imo

What's his button 3bet %? Doubt it is still 4%. He did 3bet AK106 one suit

Yeah I was thinking that 3bet% in pos might be slightly different, in fact probably almost certainly if he's 3-betting this. Not 100% what it is off the top of my head I'd have to check.

I like the call because there's very few other hands we'd want to raise on the flop. We never have AA in this spot (would 4b pre) so our raising range here would be limited to A8 and monster draws, which would make our calling range very weak and easy to play against.

On March 02 2015 11:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I like the call because there's very few other hands we'd want to raise on the flop. We never have AA in this spot (would 4b pre) so our raising range here would be limited to A8 and monster draws, which would make our calling range very weak and easy to play against.

Yes this was the main consideration I had but didn't mention. There is not a lot of value hands hero wants to raise esp due to the AA dynamic where villain has a ton of it but hero doesn't.

At the same time from an exploitative viewpoint this will give hero the appearance of massive strength when he does raise which could lead to a hugely +ev turn bluff on bricks. Hero has the 2nd nut draw; if he only raised that on the flop plus the wrap+nfd and raised only mid/top set with it that may be ok. Not saying hero does or should but AA is sometimes flatted pre for deception/balance. Sucks to NEVER have a hand in your range where it would be useful to have that hand. The calling range would still be strong because you hit the flushes/straights with the same frequency pretty much you would by flatting flop 100% because you still have all the individual draws you just took the 2 very best combodraws out. Same with value mid set gets raised but bottom set and top 2 still get called.