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Handnr: 1052841
Submitted by : DragOn_

PokerStars Zoom Hand #134214178015: Holdem No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2015/04/23 19:07:24 MT [2015/04/23 21:07:24 ET]
Table Baade 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Hero ($121.81 in chips)
Seat 2: bodgik77 ($49.25 in chips)
Seat 3: l xFlake l ($82.31 in chips)
Seat 4: Mondayafter ($53.44 in chips)
Seat 5: Muller24 ($47.25 in chips)
Seat 6: maselfo ($89.71 in chips)
bodgik77: posts small blind $0.25
l xFlake l: posts big blind $0.50

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero AdAh
Mondayafter: folds
Muller24: folds
maselfo: raises $0.75 to $1.25
Hero: raises $3.75 to $5
bodgik77: folds
l xFlake l: folds
maselfo: calls $3.75

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $10.75)

   8cKd3h
maselfo: checks
Hero: bets $6.16
maselfo: calls $6.16

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $23.07)

   8cKd3h3s
maselfo: checks
Hero: bets $15.42
maselfo: raises $16.33 to $31.75
Hero: calls $16.33

River (Pot : $86.57)

   8cKd3h3s6d
maselfo: bets $46.80 and is all-in
Hero: calls $46.80

Showdown
maselfo: shows 8s8d (a full house, Eights full of Threes)
Hero: shows AdAh (two pair, Aces and Threes)
maselfo collected $177.67 from pot

Summary
Total pot $180.17 | Rake $2.50
Board  8cKd3h3s6d
Seat 1: Hero (button) showed AdAh and lost with two pair, Aces and Threes
Seat 2: bodgik77 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: l xFlake l (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Mondayafter folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 5: Muller24 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 6: maselfo showed 8s8d and won ($177.67) with a full house, Eights full of Threes

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DragOn_   Canada. Apr 24 2015 02:14. Posts 214

can i fold here? Villain looked like an average reg

I think that villain basically only has sets here, in which case I could even fold the turn exploitatively. I dont want to get in 180bb when im only beating a bluff. But if villain knows I fold everything then he can just bluff every time, so wtf do I do? I guess I have to assume villain knows that most people wont fold AA (or maybe even AK) and is betting for value 100% here against me too, or at least at a % that makes calling negative EV

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 Last edit: 24/04/2015 02:44

MezmerizePLZ    United States. Apr 24 2015 05:37. Posts 2598

sure u could fold if your opponent is super exploitable and never bluffing, but its not really realistic to have info like that on hand. Now that u know hes raising 88 in a spot like this where realistically he should just c/c turn and then c/rai on riv you can add more bluffs in on the river when he only c/c turn in situations like this since hes taking all the top hands out of his turn c/c range.


Trav94   Canada. Apr 24 2015 08:49. Posts 1789

He's pretty polarized on the turn no? Air or nuts. But what really does he rep? 88/KK, maybe 33? Not sure how many bluffs an avg reg has here as there are no draws and I'm sure people under bluff turn and river at 50nl. I also doubt he's raising AK/KQ on the turn as you can't really call with much worse? Also about his sizing. Would most people just jam turn as a bluff? That more or less min raise feels super strong. The x/c flop then c/r turn line is usually pretty nutted and I doubt this guy balances it properly. I think this is a puke fold readless on turn. Idk just my thoughts. Mez's post makes a lot of sense as well.


Mardagg   Germany. Apr 24 2015 13:53. Posts 843

Not sure you can fold this.
Board texture makes sets rather unlikely,and the way he played it as well.
Since you hold AA, AK is rather unlikley but still a possibility and he would probably play it the same...a lot of people dont 4bet AK deep in this spot.

Btw, how is the transition to 6max Zoom and 50NL/100NL going?
I renember you playing mostly 25 NL FR Zoom not too long ago.
Seems indeed that you did improve quite a bit in short time.


DragOn_   Canada. Apr 24 2015 22:10. Posts 214

Ive been doing well at 50NL 6max, thnx I did take a couple shots at 100NL which both went really awful tho :S I donno if its just bad variance, me overadjusting/tilting or what

Are you saying people would raise AK on the turn? If they dont often 4bet AK deep, which I agree with, why would they raise postflop. That seems even worse to me. It is a pretty bad spot to raise, but if he does raise I dont see how it can be a bluff, hes not getting folds from the majority of the population.


Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Apr 25 2015 12:53. Posts 9634

Only thing I dont like is the flop sizing, your range crushes him no need to bet 60% as cbet
Dont think its foldable considering the 3s paired and he shouldnt have KK in range, leaving him with A3s and 88 as combos that beat u , while he could have AK so thats like 4 value combos and 6 AKs, even if he has KK in range you still have to call

 Last edit: 25/04/2015 12:55

 

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