fuck the equities are so close here
looks like slightly -ev call
I don't wanna fold tho ever here
because fuck him. And a read.


Btw flop cbet's good I assume, BB is a guy who 3bets me with 36s ETC, I'd just play raise fold in the SB with him there so have a good amount of Tx, JJ+ and the board should favor my range quite a bit

I could bet bigger OTT actually
so I can call off
and still have a reasonable SPR on R since I'm shoving most rivers,

Pretty sure It was in a zaza video actually that we shouldn't make turn barrel small "to leep large bet OTR", makes the river bluffs better overall

I really don't like this turn bet. you have either 23% or 40% if he shoves and you almost but not quite have to call if he pushes. doesn't that kinda, by default, mean that it's much much better to do a check push or something of that sort?

On June 20 2015 16:14 Liquid`Drone wrote: I really don't like this turn bet. you have either 23% or 40% if he shoves and you almost but not quite have to call if he pushes. doesn't that kinda, by default, mean that it's much much better to do a check push or something of that sort?

Yeah check shove might be good
I don't really do it with my value hands here tho - always cc to protect my river range? This is a pretty good bet shove hand too when I don't remove any backdoor FD floats rly

how you set up your check shove range here

I dont like the 3bet tbh 67s a bit too wide there are plenty of other hands that play better post flop vs BTN 3bet call range

thats one bad spot with 67ss. i would x/x or x/r the turn though, when you bomb here again you are polarazing yourself to TT-AA which u can check all these hands vs lag opponents and he will check back often to knowing u know hes lag etc u can get alot of free rivers if u balance ur overpairs.

and yah u can x/r ai and get him off tons of hands.

On June 20 2015 20:52 Spitfiree wrote: I dont like the 3bet tbh 67s a bit too wide there are plenty of other hands that play better post flop vs BTN 3bet call range

i d like to see your 3betting range vs button, do you 3b like 8%? lol

c/c > c/r > b/f > b/c

nope I 3bet 17% and all of the range plays much better than 67s
You don't want to have this type of hands vs wide 3bet def range
67s plays way better vs UTG 3bet def range for example

you know that one hand having 2% more equity doesnt necessaty mean 'it plays better', dont you?

On June 21 2015 10:42 dogmeat wrote: Show nested quote + On June 20 2015 20:52 Spitfiree wrote: I dont like the 3bet tbh 67s a bit too wide there are plenty of other hands that play better post flop vs BTN 3bet call range i d like to see your 3betting range vs button, do you 3b like 8%? lol

He's technically correct, AA, and KK play better than 67s in 3b pots

On June 21 2015 13:12 TalentedTom wrote: Show nested quote + On June 21 2015 10:42 dogmeat wrote:   On June 20 2015 20:52 Spitfiree wrote: I dont like the 3bet tbh 67s a bit too wide there are plenty of other hands that play better post flop vs BTN 3bet call range i d like to see your 3betting range vs button, do you 3b like 8%? lol He's technically correct, AA, and KK play better than 67s in 3b pots

genuinely curious what makes a 17% 3bet vs btn range with no suited gappers or connectors
do you 3bet QJo?

check/shove in this particular spot might not be too bad actually if he is floaty betty, this really sucks because its a clearly -EV call, should consider betting a bit smaller turn since there are no draws on the flop

yeah i like locoo line here but i think x/x is very close, only reasoni prefer check jamis because hehasallhis floats like QK he willhave to fold on turn insteadof him floating you againandjamming rivers if u have to check etc

check calling with 7high seems awful. we just arent expecting to get shipped on that often. b/f seems fine imo.

I don't think c/c is awful because it's actually pretty nice to have all the nuttish hands on the river after check calling turn when the draws hit. This is a pretty small specific part of your range that I think can go either way without being horrible (ie both bet and check call are profitable without saying which is better)

Other than that im with handbanana though I don't see you getting shipped on much

I 3bet like 14% sb v btn.. Spits 3bet range must be super broadway heavy or suited king/queen heavy to not have 76s in it?

I'd prefer heavy broadway range with a smaller amount of suited connectors vs a range that defends widely as our playability drops hard
We want less broadways and more playability when the guy only defs top of his range anyways not when he s flatting Axs and shit

And even if i did 3bet JQo which would be the def bottom of broadways it still has around 6-7% more equity than 67s and plays better postflop vs wide range

It's easy to suggest c/shove when you have seen the actual hand play out ,and see that villain raises our turn bet ,which sucks for us. If we were to check ,villain can always check back his better broadways ( with backdoors) and Ax suited hands which should not be folding on the flop, then various rivers( < 10 rivers ) get awkward to play with our 7 high when we are often forced to bet on a board where we are representing nothing and where we are getting snapped off by Ace high alot of the times.Betting turn is clearly the better option.We can bet call all our good pairs and maybe AQ/AJ/AK of diamonds and bet /fold hands such as this one.

On June 22 2015 09:28 Spitfiree wrote: plays better postflop vs wide range

prove it

damn man still in 50nl?

I dont have to prove shit there are plenty of programs for u to use and do it urself

there are no preflop solvers, you just decided that some hands are better for no other reason than 5% equity bump, yet all highstakes players 3bet 67s

It's important to 3bet 67s because if you aren't then you probably aren't 3betting anything similar either which means villains can exploit you on 2-8 flops etc. by easily tailoring your ranges based on preflop combo elimination.

if you automatically 3 bet 67s everytime you are making a mistake because their are some opponents who doing it against, is certainly wrong.

67s is a clear 3bet vs almost every reg

Just cause a high stakes player does doesn't automatically mean you should do it as you are playing 2 different games, that being said I agree with casino

It's very likely that I'll crush the stakes u play playing exactly the same as I play high stakes. We play the same game.

On June 22 2015 22:13 AndrewSong wrote: It's very likely that I'll crush the stakes u play playing exactly the same as I play high stakes. We play the same game.

propbet gogogo

Theirs a good % of regs who play HU with fold to 3bet less then 40%. I am pretty sure if you 3bet 67s all the time against them your making a big mistake. But I haven't looked at any stats to know for sure.

how is this even a discussion?

hand is played fine. now just fold to the shove.