thinking about donking river blanks

dont think you can donk/fold
and I dont really see a river thats not blank

I'd call and x/c river probably cuz its bvb, otherwise think about c/f river possibly in some spots .. there arent exactly many bluffs he has and i doubt he bets Jx river after he raises the turn

weird. if it's a bluff i'd assume it's some kind of gutter that doesn't have odds to call, like 84s, 63s, or A3/A4, i don't see an open ender taking this line since we can jam 2pair+/gutters and he'd be forced to fold? would we need to flat here with hands as strong as sets sometimes for balance?

i prob call and call river for info, would be very curious

I dont see a reason to raise any part of our range here
I mean if we shove sets we are practically hoping we have the overset since he isn't calling worse and if he has a set he will bet the river again anyway , sure we let his gutters get there sometimes, but we let him bluff river when he misses
Plus makes our live much easier if we have 64s type of hands in our range

We shouldn't really have many 2 pairs. All i see is J7s and possibly 57s if OP opens it
Our range is really polarized on this board

On July 26 2015 17:45 lebowski wrote: thinking about donking river blanks

I hate doing that with any hand

I'm calling turn and either check/calling or check/raising with my entire range that I decide to continue with when he raises the turn

the turn raise feels like a spot where most players just have it a lot of the time. he can credibly rep all the sets minus JJ obv, 75 & J7

it's just more a read based decision where you decide to either call turn & check/decision river or I wouldn't rule out just folding the turn vs some people. In all likelihood, we are probably just going to be call/calling most of the time

I'm with spitfire and timdawg.

Standard is call/call or maybe call/fold. Agree with Tim u can just pitch turn vs some even

wtffffff we can't fold turn?? we have 2 outs to the nuts and it's like barely a minraise

+counterfeit outs ya NOT FOLDIN

call/call reeval after what he shows up with. our hand is just too strong to outright fold to a raise vs a relative unknown. without additional info/reads we cannot be +ev folding this here.

i mean vs some 3 betting here onthe turn is very good...they try to take cheap showdown lines in position by raising turns and/or flops

On July 27 2015 01:33 YoMeR wrote: i mean vs some 3 betting here onthe turn is very good...they try to take cheap showdown lines in position by raising turns and/or flops

my thought due to sizing and board texture was that he probably has a one pair hand that wants to check river. So lead river half-ish or less instead of shipping turn puts him in a tougher spot.
But maybe he was about to ship river to me with a busted gutshot and I took it away from him ( I donked and he folded)

1 pair type of hand wont call you when you shove turn or donk bet river and the only 1p type of hands that he probably raises here are AJo and KJo

^AJo and KJo are the one pair hands that I least expect him to raise turn with (or fold river donk vs a small donk bet), regs do this -sort of-pot control line with hands they are ready to fold to further aggression , raise folding AJ would be incredibly bad
Never calling when I donk river is too general of an assumption imo, he might never be calling a halfpot bet but there has to be a point when he's forced to call simply by odds even if the line seems strong, maybe 1/3 pot bet?

yea u have the right idea. Generally people dont balance small turn raises with strong hands. Its usually k7 a5 type stuff going for the showdown. 3betting turn is prob the best line. But i dont fault you for going for a call/donk line. Would prob have to call a raise though.

donking river would not be a particularly sharp play ....

just call the turn, if he puts any more money into the pot on the river and u don't improve, just fold.

it's so tough for him to have anything worse than what you have on this board given how few draws there are.