wtf

wtf indeed... what the hell does villain have here? river seems like a spot where he should be checking back a lot

also i think turn is a shove... with this SPR it's kinda tough to play a river OOP and i'd def be shoving a lot of various value and semibluffs on turn

AA 56s 67s 78s A4ss A3ss

Its harder for me to find bluffs for him thats like the best board for BTvUT 3bet range

you ever c/r flop here Marshall?

You guys are open/calling 3 bets with 56s 78s utg?

I'm probably check calling 3 streets myself.

On August 07 2015 10:54 Spitfiree wrote: AA 56s 67s 78s A4ss A3ss Its harder for me to find bluffs for him thats like the best board for BTvUT 3bet range

yeah there are very few bluffs, all the draws got there, so he really shouldn't be thin value betting stuff like AA and low 2pairs. nut flushes make sense though he could just flat those pre.

Its better to stay sticky with everything and keep a wide uncapped range on the river. I don't like just raising your tp+ and draws on the turn that is easy to play against. I think marshall played this well. Marshall can have Nutflushes and top set so it isn't like he can be completely exploited here or anything. He reps AK maybe QK pretty hard here too and at these anon tables I don't know if villain would be expecting him to fold for that size river bet so looking at it from that point of view if you discount bluffs than folding is fine. I'd imagine he even checks back the chop on this river; not like he vbets and expects a call from 1010/JJ -

On August 07 2015 13:20 TimDawg wrote: you ever c/r flop here Marshall?

never ever. i raise <5% of the time in 3b pots

On August 08 2015 18:01 traxamillion wrote: I don't like just raising your tp+ and draws on the turn that is easy to play against.

why is it easy to play against? this is a potsized allin raise. it denies the in position player from 1. making thin value/protection bets and 2. making semibluffs with pretty much any kind of draw.

one reason i can think of that may be exploitable is that if we raise our nuts and semibluffs on turn, it will weaken our calling range so rivers become difficult when we decide to flat call - we will have middling value hands like KQ very often. we won't be capped on draw hits though, since we will have hands like pair+draw that are calling turn. we will be capped on blanks though, for the most part.

however i think that not ever raising turn is easy to play against in that IP can liberally value/protection/semibluff turn and then check back a ton of SDV hands on river, and bluff/value bet an optimal ratio - given we aren't leading any rivers. we don't really get a chance to win with our semibluffs, nor much of a chance to get value with our nut hands. a river bet by IP is easily balance-able.