is it suicidal to want to jam here?
could calling be good enough?

hmm i'm not sure, initially i thought it would be good to bluffjam hands with spades in them, but i'm not sure what kind of flushes villain has, if any at all... like if he had A3s why wouldnt he just call turn, raise seems silly.
so maybe this hand is a good hand to jam since the next best thing to block is the 2pair type hands with Q in them, although it would be good to block a 2 or 3 since it blocks 22 and 33.
i think it depends on how u think villain is playing his range on turn, how many flushes he has (if any), and then go from there... if u think he has flushes then it's better to bluff with 1 spade hands, if not this might be good.

i dont think calling will good often, cos i don't see what kind of bluffs he could have... but that's also a judgement call on his range, whether he could have random air like 65h, A7o, K2c etc

On August 10 2015 13:37 lebowski wrote: is it suicidal to want to jam here? could calling be good enough?

w this hand ye, at least block some shit, the only JT he has is spades and it wont fold and thats pretty much the only thing u block
just fold and be happy about it i guess

^I'm not sure I understand what you're saying about me blocking J10

but yeah I guess me having a diamond sucks, I block no sets and it's not deep enough
It's just that this river card is so amazing if you want to make someone fold -_-

He mostly has spades as played not diamonds ( if we re talking about suited part of his range), diamonds would never raise the turn .. if not never at least not that often
River card is far from amazing he has tons of backdoor flushes that just hit

I don't see why would he raise spades on the turn and risk getting thrown off his well hidden equity. Whereas it makes sense he would raise with diamonds because he has worst implied odds if he just calls turn
I really think the bdoor flush favors me more than him, also all 45s are in my range and it's not deep enough so that I wouldn't shove (not expecting him to have lots of spades)

What do you put him on? 22, 33, 99 beat you. You beat draws. Good luck getting NL100 players to fold a set here. I would just call. Although jamming might get a hero call from a hand like A9 or TT.

I could see villain doing this with A4ss

Did u fold? jam? Result

yeah backdoor spades with a gutter makes sense too.

without some kinda read jamming here seems like complete suicide.

na just call. Queen is pretty high up in our range.

On August 11 2015 06:20 handbanana21 wrote: na just call. Queen is pretty high up in our range.

Agree

your hand is one of the worst hands to bluff, you dont have any blockers to most of his nutty hands, like 9x 3x 2x 4d,5d Ts Js Ks As, you block his 1 pair hands that folds to shove, you have a diamond.

So no, this is a fold and maybe a turn fold if you dont feel like it would be a snap super EV+ call on blanks

thanks everyone, while playing I did the impulsive and in hindsight semi-retarded move and jammed, he tank folded, probably hollywooding some sort of air
oh well
XD

I just think most players take this line with some sort of spade combo from my experience, so I would call turn and feel pretty good about folding this specific river but I would be calling most rivers for sure

On August 11 2015 14:42 TimDawg wrote: I just think most players take this line with some sort of spade combo from my experience, so I would call turn and feel pretty good about folding this specific river but I would be calling most rivers for sure

fold pre, gg

first of all, your flop bet is unnecessarily big.

second, jamming river, as previously stated would be ridiculous.

river is between call and fold ..

reasons to call ... he reps narrow value range, only 99, 22, 33, q9, backdoor spades.

reasons to fold ... we block diamonds, we don't block spades, most villains at 100nl id perceive as nits incapable of bluffing here.

i dont really know what to do. flip a coin i guess. i lean fold. if we had 8s id lean call.