i guess fold flop should be the best, but the turn is a J and i has outs ? call>shove>fold ?

We should probably be 4bet/calling if he is 3betting 9%> otb.

On the turn, my biggest problem is you have a lot of hands that can continue and he bets half pot anyways. I think his range is weighted to better made hands and better draws. You have tainted outs and reverse implied odds, and I don't think he's bet/folding here too much

I vote fold>call>shove unless you have a read he can barrel here very light or is capable of bet/folding here.

I do think it's close and I'd call in the moment for obvious reasons, but a fold might be better after thinking about his range

keep in mind on that board texture there's a fuckload of draws we have great equity vs that is bet/snapping a shove. On that board texture i don't mind this line at all. Too lazy to work out the range and combos but I'd guess that there's a decent amount more of potential draw combos than made hand combos. Although It's prob super close.

mm i like this line.
this is one of those low SPR spots where it's kinda tough for him to bet/fold a draw on turn.
if he is a noob he might have a hand like A5s and be completely confused about what to do when faced with jam... A8s prob has to call
also it's nice that we block TT reducing his combos of KT and T8... plenty of equity vs rest of his range

curious what we do with KQc here though? just call?