~29 ? for him to call with his 66-JJ hands ? 19 ? or ch back ? what do we do ?

I bet 20

i like 22.25.

I dont think we are ever checking back here?

Pretty stupid spot. Sizing down but not so low that we induce a raise is prob the play. Would just half pot again.

If our QQ doesn't bet here for value then any decent player should have a much easier time playing vs your river range as it's not balanced here at all.

Although not sure how good they are at NL100 to even consider this for our decision on the river.

player 6 looks like a fish and someone that might be chasing Ax on that board and 2x is also possible,thats why I check back here.
I do think that many players fold low to med ppairs to a bet here anyways,even fishes.

I don't think even fish call twice here with just Ax in a 4way pot. Problem is we really don't have many bluffs here at all so I don't think YoMeR's concern is valid. We're basically never bluffing here so I'd bet like 1/4th pot.

I'd bet way bigger on turn, something close to pot or even a small overbet seems good to me. Apart from the very rare 88 and 2x he's mostly made of bluff catchers and you have the polarised range so you want to bet bigger theoretically. Plus, given his stats it's good exploitatively also - I can't see many 40vpip players ever folding a boat on the turn even to a near pot sized bet and will probably stack off with it on most rivers (Not this one obv) when you set up a smaller pot to stack ratio.

As Artanis says, I think it's highly unlikely many people are showing up with Ax here after calling flop 4 way and calling turn again. I mean given his stats maybe it's possible he calls flop with AQ, AJ type hands, but I'd assume he mostly folds turn, though with 40 vpip who knows... I definitely think he could have those hands "some times" and A8 could happen once in a while too. We're really hoping he calls enough with 33-77, 99-JJ type hands on the river. I'd probably subtract some of the 99-JJ combos if not all of them with him having 16% 3bet, so mostly 33-77 with some combos of 99-JJ. It's really just a case of how many combos of hands better than yours he has vs how many combos of hands worse than yours he has and then how often he calls with the hands worse than yours. Surely if you do go for a value bet it's going to have to be very small. Frankly, I don't think a bet is making you much here even in the best case scenario and in the worse case it's just awful if he never calls with worse, always calls/raises better and potentially even bluff raises some combos vs a small bet which is a situation that isn't entirely tough to believe if his only worse hands that get here are 33-77 and some partial combos of 99-JJ. I think you'd have to bet like 20% pot or just check, I'd prob take the safer option and go with the latter personally. Could be one to try in CREV though

yeah i don't see what we can be bluffing here with... a random T9s hand?
people just don't bluff on these boards it seems, esp 4 way on flop. i guess if we value bet river here we need to bluff river with hands like 33-55, cause theres nothin else to bluff.